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    Default Let's compare eachothers tax system

    With all the talk of taxes lately I figured we'd all post the tax system of the country where we live so we can point finger and laugh at eachother, or become green with envy!

    Here's the Belgian system:

    From tax rates through to special expat status, here is Expatica's updated guide to the Belgian taxation system.:

    Expatriates and Belgian citizens alike suffer from one of the highest taxation rates in the EU. It amounts to - including social security - 57.3 percent for a single earner. This compares to an average 44.5 percent in Europe. An expatriate working in Belgium will typically be liable to Belgian income tax. Additionally, property tax, gift and inheritance tax may be relevant. In most circumstances there are no capital gains taxes or wealth tax for individuals in Belgium, thus pushing the burden firmly onto the employee.

    Residents of Belgium pay personal income tax on their total income from all worldwide sources on a sliding scale. The basic exemption for fiscal year 2012 (revenue of 2011) is EUR 6,570 regardless of marital status with further exemptions for dependent children and a spouse. For 2011, marginal income tax starts at 25 percent, rises to 30 percent over EUR 8,070, 40 percent over EUR 11,480, 45 percent over 19,130 EUR with a top limit of 50 percent for incomes above EUR 35,060.

    Residents also pay communal and regional taxes at rates between zero to 8.5 percent of the total income tax payable.

    Income tax is paid on the taxable base which is determined from salary less compulsory social security contributions (paid either in Belgium or abroad). Professional expenses can be deducted either directly with supporting documentation or more usually on a lump sum basis depending on salary. The 2011 rate for this standard professional deduction is a maximum EUR 3,670.

    moneyThe Belgian tax year for personal income tax begins on 1 January and ends 31 December. You will typically receive a tax return (declaration/ aangifte) during May relating to the previous year's income. This must normally be returned by the end of June (you will find the exact date on your tax return).

    Employers are responsible for withholding tax on a monthly basis - this is known as the Précompte Professionnel/Bedrijfsvoorheffing. Similarly the self-employed or paid company directors have to pay tax monthly in advance via a collecting agency or bank.


    Other taxes
    Home owners pay a local property tax (précompte immobilier/ onroerende voor heffing) which is calculated on the deemed rental value attributed by the authorities to the property (revenu cadastral/ kadastral inkomen).

    The tax paid varies according to the commune and generally lies between 20 percent and 50 percent of the revenue cadastral.
    source: http://www.expatica.com/be/finance_b...8618_8286.html

    The property tax isn't correctly explained tough, You pay the 1 month rental value + 40% of that rental value of any property you own as tax.


    Here's a funny anecdote about taxes in Belgium, a friend of mine works for Lidl, she has worked there for years and recently got a promotion and thus a pay raise! So when she told me I said: Nice :-) extra cash to spend ey!

    To wich she replied: Actualy I'm a new tax scale now, and actually have less money than before my promotion!

    Can you top the crazyness of that?

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    sweet, I need to know this in a few years, so it's quite handy to have here
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    How is it possible that friend of yours has less money to spend if the marginal tax rate increases? It's a marginal tax rate, isn't it?
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    Actualy I'm a new tax scale now, and actually have less money than before my promotion!
    your friend doesn't know how taxes work
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    Greece's tax system:

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    2) Tax only public servants and pensioners

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    @ stavroforos, lolz

    but I think the OP meant it in a serious way, not an excuse to rediculise our governments. I know there are issues in Greece atm, but I think there already have been loads of threads on that subject.
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    Greeces tax system is to give handouts for everyone with an open hand and then crush their economy and tax Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Greeces tax system is to give handouts for everyone with an open hand and then crush their economy and tax Germans.
    this is what I was trying to prevent...

    there clearly was a wrong guideline used by the Greek government in taxation and spending state funds. However, generalising it to simple parasitic actions and lack of objectivity is not the way to deal with it. It would be more interesting to go deeper into the ACTUAL causes and how those can be straightened out, however, since I doubt anybody here can give an accurate representation of the Greek state budget before the crisis, I think bickering about that would be a waste of time...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kanaric View Post
    Greeces tax system is to give handouts for everyone with an open hand and then crush their economy and tax Germans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Hey, 2007 called, they want to know if Empire: Total War will be good?
    Bad news bro.

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    Well, here is my contribution although I think its quite similar to the OP since Belgium and Holland are quite the same. To begin with; we work with three boxes. There are three categories of income, each with their own tax rates. They are referred to as "boxes". But diffecult too is that there are different taxes for almost everything and everyone. It can't be compared to some other countries since we have a lot of different and diffecult to explain taxes. We practicably tax everything.

    I think this is a good beginning explanation :

    The Netherlands is a socially conscious country, and you can expect to pay a substantial proportion (up to 52 percent) of your salary to the taxman. But your personal situation (non-working partner, for example), type of work, residency status and other assets and earnings (particularly from abroad) affect your position considerably. In many cases, you will still be filing a tax return in your home country and will be entering the land of double taxation agreements. There are many expat financial specialists who can complete your tax forms for you or provide other consultancy services.
    From: http://www.expatica.com/nl/finance_b...ned_15678.html

    Well, here I shall start to explain part 2..

    How do you pay taxes.

    If you receive a salary, your employer will pay your tax over this salary in advance. On your payslip you read how much of your gross salary is paid to the tax office monthly. Furthermore at the end of the year you receive an annual overview of your salary and the paid taxes. This overview is called Jaaropgaaf and is important to keep for your administration.
    Furthermore you can actively approach the taxoffice to file your taxes that year. It is wise to do this if you can use taxdeductions/cuts. For example, when you start work halfway the calender year, it is likely that you can apply for taxdeductions.
    When you file your taxes you need to provide information on all your taxable income. Keep in mind that most scholarships (including grants, stipendia and fellowships) are also taxable income.


    Well, here are the boxes. This is the most diffecult thing. I can remember this as the day of yesterday when I had to study all these stuff for my exam Dutch Economics at the Journalist study.. Lol, a pain in the ass. So, don't think this will help you explaining it...
    Box system
    The total of your taxable income, the applicable taxrates, the taxcredits and possible taxcuts will decide the amount of tax you need to pay.
    Your taxable income can be divided over three income-boxes. Each box has its own taxrate. The taxes paid in box 1 also include contributions to social security.

    Description of income rate box 1 income from house and work.
    Your house is adopted in this box,
    as tax-free mortgage depts fall within this box.
    between 33.6% - 52% box 2 income for business shareholdings
    25% box 3 income from savings and investments 30%


    And something more...

    Income tax Box 1 knows a progressive rate in four steps

    The first two steps also include the social security contributions (31.15 %), the third and fourth rate only consist of taxation. Your income that falls into the first box, will be taxed according to the following rates:
    Income (annual) taxrate social security
    contribution
    € 0 - € 17,896 2.35% 31.15% € 17,897 - €32,127 10.85% 31.15% € 32,128 - €54,776 42% - € 54,777 and more 52% -


    Well, this was as much as I can explain I guess.

    For people who are interested;

    http://www.euraxess.nl/social-securi...ation-system-1

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Income_...he_Netherlands

    And meaby its a cool idea to add each tax system to the OP so its easier to compare them


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    Default Re: Let's compare eachothers tax system

    Just a small remark: shouldn't this thread belong in the political academy instead of the political mudpit?

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    A nice thread, I'd like to see some comparisons here. According to the new mini tax reform in Greece, taxation is as follows: (I say mini because there's a massive new tax reform coming in the next months which will supposedly battle tax evasion and restore any injustices)

    Wages/Pensions
    0% 0-9.000
    22% 9.001-25.000
    32% 25.001-42.000
    42% >42.000

    There's a deduction of 2.100 euros for incomes up to 21.000. After this amount, the deduction is decreasing by 100 euros for every 1.000 euros additional income, so, for more than 42.000 euros income, you've got no deduction at all.

    Tax reliefs: there used to be many of them but now there will be only 10% tax relief for insurance.

    Receipts: Public servants and pensioners are required to gather receipts worth 25% of their yearly income, otherwise, they will be fined. Self-employed people and people earning more than 42.000 euros/year don't have to gather receipts.

    Rents: Income from house rents will be taxed distinctively with 10% up to 12.000 euros and 33% for the exceeding amount.

    Self employed people: 26% tax starting with the first euro and going up to 50.000. After this amount, the exceeding is taxed with 33%. That's a measure which aims to battle tax evasion in this group. If I remember correctly around half of the self-employed declare an income of less than 10.000 euros/year which therefore, is not taxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    A nice thread, I'd like to see some comparisons here. According to the new mini tax reform in Greece, taxation is as follows: (I say mini because there's a massive new tax reform coming in the next months which will supposedly battle tax evasion and restore any injustices)

    Wages/Pensions
    0% 0-9.000
    22% 9.001-25.000
    32% 25.001-42.000
    42% >42.000

    There's a deduction of 2.100 euros for incomes up to 21.000. After this amount, the deduction is decreasing by 100 euros for every 1.000 euros additional income, so, for more than 42.000 euros income, you've got no deduction at all.

    Tax reliefs: there used to be many of them but now there will be only 10% tax relief for insurance.

    Receipts: Public servants and pensioners are required to gather receipts worth 25% of their yearly income, otherwise, they will be fined. Self-employed people and people earning more than 42.000 euros/year don't have to gather receipts.

    Rents: Income from house rents will be taxed distinctively with 10% up to 12.000 euros and 33% for the exceeding amount.

    Self employed people: 26% tax starting with the first euro and going up to 50.000. After this amount, the exceeding is taxed with 33%. That's a measure which aims to battle tax evasion in this group. If I remember correctly around half of the self-employed declare an income of less than 10.000 euros/year which therefore, is not taxed.

    Source (Greek)
    Intresting, we don't have to pay taxes for rental income (yet)

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    Warning. Retardedness/Pakistan ahead.

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    Taxation System

    Federal taxes in Pakistan like most of the taxation systems in the world are classified into two broad categories, viz., direct and indirect taxes. A broad description regarding the nature of administration of these taxes is explained below:

    Direct Taxes

    Direct taxes primarily comprise income tax, alongwith supplementary role of wealth tax. For the purpose of the charge of tax and the computation of total income, all income is classified under the following heads:

    1. Salaries
    2. Interest on securities;
    3. Income from property;
    4. Income from business or professions
    5. Capital gains; and
    6. Income from other sources.

    Personal Tax

    All individuals, unregistered firms, associations of persons, etc., are liable to tax, at the rates randing from 10 to 35 per cent.

    Tax on Companies

    All public companies (other than banking companies) incorporated in Pakistan are assessed for tax at corporate rate of 39%. However, the effective rate is likely to differ on account of allowances and exemptions related to industry, location, exports, etc.

    Inter-Corporate Dividend Tax

    Tax on the dividends received by a public company from a Pakistan company is payable at the rate of 5% and at the rate of 15% in case dividends are received by a foreign company. Inetr-corporate dividends declared or distributed by power generation companies is subject to reduced rate of tax i.e., 7.5%. Other companies are taxed at the rate of 20%. Dividends paid to all non-company shareholders by the companies are subject to with holding tax of 10% which is treated as a full and final discharge of tax liability in respect of this source of income.

    Treatment of Dividend Income

    Dividend income received as below enjoys tax exemption, provided it does not exceed Rs. 10,000/-.

    1. Dividend received by non-resident from the state enterprises Mutual Fund set by the Investment Corporation of Pakistan.
    2. Dividends received from a domestic company out of income earned abroad provided it is engaged abroad exclusively in rendering technical services in accordance with an agreement approved by the Central Board of Revenue.

    Unilateral Relief

    A person resident in Pakistan is entitled to a relief in tax on any income earned abroad, if such income has already been subjected to tax outside Pakistan. Proportionate relief is allowed on such income at an average rate of tax in Pakistan or abroad, whichever is lower.

    Agreement for avoidance of double taxation

    The Government of Pakistan has so far signed agreements to avoid double taxation with 39 countries including almost all the developed countries of the world. These agreements lay down the ceilings on tax rates applicable to different types of income arising in Pakistan. They also lay down some basic principles of taxation which cannot be modified unilaterally. The list of countries with which Pakistan has concluded tax treaties is given below:

    Austria
    Belgium
    Bangladesh
    Canada
    China
    Denmark
    Egypt
    France
    Finland
    Germany
    Greece
    India
    Indonesia
    Iran
    Ireland
    Italy
    Japan
    South Korea
    Lebanon
    Libya
    Malta
    Mauritius
    Saudi Arabia
    Singapore
    Poland
    Romania
    Switzerland
    Thailand
    Sri Lanka
    Sweden
    Turkmenistan
    U.K.
    Turkey
    Tunisia
    Kazakistan
    U.A.E.
    U.S.A

    Customs

    Goods imported and exported from Pakistan are liable to rates of Customs duties as prescribed in Pakistan Customs Tariff. Customs duties in the form of import duties and export duties constitute about 37% of the total tax receipts. The rate structure of customs duty is determined by a large number of socio-economic factors. However, the general scheme envisages higher rates on luxury items as well as on less essential goods. The import tariff has been given an industrial bias by keeping the duties on industrial plants and machinery and raw material lower than those on consumer goods.

    Central Excise

    Central Excise duties are leviable on a limited number of goods produced or manufactured, and services provided or rendered in Pakistan. On most of the items Central Excise duty is charged on the basis of value or retail price. Some items are, however, chargeable to duty on the basis of weight or quantity. Classification of goods is done in accordance with the Harmonized Commodity Description and Coding system which is being used all over the world. All exports are exempted from Central Excise Duty.

    Sales Tax

    · Sales Tax is levied at various stages of economic activity at the rate of 15 per cent on:

    · all goods imported into Pakistan, payable by the importers;
    · all supplies made in Pakistan by a registered person in the course of furtherance of any business carried on by him;
    · there ia an in-built system of input tax adjustment and a registered person can make adjustment of tax paid at earlier stages against the tax payable by him on his supplies. Thus the tax paid at any stage does not exceed 15% of the total sales price of the supplies;
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