Curia consolidation

[Spiff]

Curia Section Consolidation.

Proposer: Spiff

This is a Syntagma amendment to entrench the long standing rules relating to specific Curia forums within the Sytagma itself, rather than being scattered about as acts of law. This will make them easier to locate within the sections index and in my view more relevantly placed.


"The Curia" section of the Syntagma shall be amended toinclude text from the "Legislation Act "and "Curia Votes Act" as highlighted in Blue:

The Curia

Curia Main Forum:

The Curia and its sub-forums are

special sections in the forum to discuss pertinent topics in governance, a place for the Civitates to propose legislation, and to post relevant developments. This is a place for the exchange of ideas. If the rules against any infractions are tough in the normal forums, in the Curia and its sub-forums they are doubly so. As well as the main Curia index for general discussion of governance related matters, The Curia is broken into further distinct sub-forums:

Prothalamos:

A sub-forum specifically for proposing and discussing legislation and ideas.

Rules of the Prothalamos Sub-Forum:

Legislation:
Any Civitate is able to post a Bill in the Prothalamos for discussion, which does not require named support. If a version of the bill becomes supported by a minimum of three other Civitates, including at least one Patrician, the proposer can request that the Syntagma Curator move the supported version of a bill to a vote three days after it was first posted.

Should it be judged that after the minimum of three days more time is needed for debate on the subject, or that the debate is active, and moving the Bill would be premature, the progression to voting of the Bill may be delayed at the discretion of the Syntagma Curator. If the Syntagma Curator decides to delay the vote on a Bill beyond one month, then this decision is subject to staff ratification in the same way as a staff veto.

If the Syntagma Curator wishes to sponsor or support a Bill, the duties will be delegated to a staff member of the Syntagma Curator's choosing.

Curia Vote:

A sub-forum where proposed legislation with sufficient support shall be voted on.

Rules of the Curia Vote Sub-Forum:

Legislation:
Once moved to vote, all bills shall be voted on over a one-week period. All Bills will be required to run for the full duration so that all Civitates may be able to vote if they so wish. Civitates are proscribed from viewing the results of any poll in the Curia they have not voted in. In addition, responses (including indirect methods such as signatures) in the Curia Vote sub-forum will be limited to notification of having voted.

An Amendment Bill shall pass on the basis of a two-thirds majority in favor, while an Act of Law Bill shall require only a simple majority. Abstentions are not considered when determining whether a Bill has achieved the required proportion of voters. If any Bill fails a vote, no revote on a substantially similar bill will be permitted for twenty-eight days unless the Triumvirate unanimously supports it.

Act of Law Bills may be passed to change any existing Act of Law or to enact new restrictions, ranks, procedures, or anything else not dealt with by the Syntagma. Amendment Bills shall be permitted to change any portion of the Syntagma.

Opinion Polls:
No polls nor surveys shall be conducted in the Curia Vote Subforum on issues under debate. It is noted that the use of such polls in the curia vote are for the purposes of surveys of civitates, and the voting of legislation, not for polling in the political sense of the word.

Other Sub-Forums:

Additional sub-forums may be added or removed from the Curia at the discretion of Curia members and following a vote as per the rules of the Prothalamos and Curia Vote sub-forum.

The Legislation Act of Law shall be deleted

Legislation Act

Any Civitate is able to post a Bill in the Prothalamos for discussion, which does not require named support. If a version of the bill becomes supported by a minimum of three other Civitates, including at least one Patrician, the proposer can request that the Syntagma Curator move the supported version of a bill to a vote three days after it was first posted.

Should it be judged that after the minimum of three days more time is needed for debate on the subject, or that the debate is active, and moving the Bill would be premature, the progression to voting of the Bill may be delayed at the discretion of the Syntagma Curator. If the Syntagma Curator decides to delay the vote on a Bill beyond one month, then this decision is subject to staff ratification in the same way as a staff veto.

If the Syntagma Curator wishes to sponsor or support a Bill, the duties will be delegated to a staff member of the Syntagma Curator's choosing.

The Curia Votes Act of Law shall be deleted:

Curia Votes Act

Once moved to vote, all bills shall be voted on over a one-week period. All Bills will be required to run for the full duration so that all Civitates may be able to vote if they so wish. Civitates are proscribed from viewing the results of any poll in the Curia they have not voted in. In addition, responses (including indirect methods such as signatures) in the Curia Vote sub-forum will be limited to notification of having voted.

An Amendment Bill shall pass on the basis of a two-thirds majority in favor, while an Act of Law Bill shall require only a simple majority. Abstentions are not considered when determining whether a Bill has achieved the required proportion of voters. If any Bill fails a vote, no revote on a substantially similar bill will be permitted for twenty-eight days unless the Triumvirate unanimously supports it.

Act of Law Bills may be passed to change any existing Act of Law or to enact new restrictions, ranks, procedures, or anything else not dealt with by the Syntagma. Amendment Bills shall be permitted to change any portion of the Syntagma.

The Poll Banning Act of Law shall be deleted:

Poll Banning Act

It is hereby enacted that no polls nor surveys shall be conducted in the Curia Vote Subforum on issues under debate. It is noted that the use of such polls in the curia vote are for the purposes of surveys of civitates, and the voting of legislation, not for polling in the political sense of the word.

To be honest i started writing this thinking it would be better but now im not so sure.. id like to hear comments but im not necesarily looking for spporters

[Fabolous]

Its interesting. A few things that stand out quickly simply with your text, in the last section, it forums should be able to be added or removed. Also, if we are going to have a "rules of the curia vote section" something like the poll banning act should be in there. I am still unsure of whether I like your general concept though...

[Perikles]

I think the Curia needs an overhaul, not rearranging. All this baisically does is simplify the Syntagma, isn't it?

[Spiff]

Yes simplification is what i aim for in most of these things, the majority of civitates find the syntagma unapproachable or unreadable, having all relevant information in one section would perhaps be a better goal with clear headings and such, rather than having rlevant information hidden away at the bottom in a small act of law.

The added or removed thing at the end.. i didnt notice that, i didnt actually write that line its from the current curia section, but ill add in that change anyway. Also added the poll banning act.

Again though, im not sure about this myself

[Muizer]

Yes simplification is what i aim for in most of these things, the majority of civitates find the syntagma unapproachable or unreadable, having all relevant information in one section would perhaps be a better goal with clear headings and such, rather than having rlevant information hidden away at the bottom in a small act of law.

A good principle to follow. Now if you add in the Quaestio Perpetua I'll support (ducks and runs )

[Simetrical]

Please, leave this as acts. It shouldn't take two-thirds of the Curia to change a subforum.

[Spiff]

Please, leave this as acts. It shouldn't take two-thirds of the Curia to change a subforum.

Thats part of the reason why id want to. The bits i will entrench in the Syntagma are so long standing and such an integral part of the Curia that i wouldnt personally want to see them changed on the whim of a simple majority vote like any other act we have

[Simetrical]

Thats part of the reason why id want to. The bits i will entrench in the Syntagma are so long standing and such an integral part of the Curia that i wouldnt personally want to see them changed on the whim of a simple majority vote like any other act we have

Longstanding, feh. The Tabularium is a year old, Curia Vote and Prothalamos maybe two years, and none of them would have been created if not for a silly limitation of the old IPB software. They're like any subforums, they exist to divide things up more conveniently. There's nothing sacred about them.

[Sétanta]

On the basis and understanding that this just simplifies the Syntagma I support.


And the Curia Votes should also be renamed Suffragium (sp?). The Curia already voted on that and the Trium never changed it (It hardly matters, but lets just do it already).

[Shaun]

Well I pretty much support this, even if its not the radical cahnges that some ask for, it certianly simplifies, and once thats done then it will be far easier to change.

[Aemilianus]

Point A- This is going to mean nothing in a few days

Point B- This really doesn't change anything

With point B in mind, I support. It's always better to make things easier to read, and I think this will help things in principle.

[Spiff]

True, i read this before i read the new sticky thread in the Curia.. leave for two days then this happens.. pfft.

Ah well.

[Last Roman]

I like it. Sign me up

[Gaius Baltar]

Well, in theory in sounds good. Im wondering if casting my support now would actually get this to a vote, or not.

I support.