Hamas wants to take over West Bank.The end of Fatah?

**~~John ''True Grit'' Wayne~~** · December 23, 2012, 04:59 AM

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=297014

Hamas leader Khaled Mashaal instructed the terror group's sleeper cells in the West Bank to prepare themselves for armed struggle to take control of the Palestinian territory, The Sunday Times reported.

According to the report, citing the Shin Bet (Israel Security Agency) and the Aman military intelligence service, Hamas, at the behest of Iran, was preparing to seize power in the West Bank as it did in Gaza in a 2007 civil war.

The Sunday Times claimed that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu had been warned by Israeli intelligence services of Hamas's possible usurpation of power, and quoted what it described as a close Netanyahu associate as saying: “Bibi [Netanyahu] understands the geopolitical changes in the Middle East. No way would [he] give up an inch of the West Bank - he is convinced that the intelligence assessment about a Muslim Brotherhood [Hamas] takeover is solid.”

The Sunday Times also alleged that relations between Hamas and Iran were on the upswing after a brief cooling off period; relations were strained when Sunni Hamas abandoned its support of Syrian President Bashar Assad, Shi’ite Iran's primary ally in the region.

According to the paper, however, as Assad’s position has weakened, Iran has hedged somewhat by re-pivoting towards Hamas in order to protect its interests were Assad to fall.

The Sunday Times said that Iran's motivation was to create a third proxy force in the West Bank - after Hezbollah in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza - through which to retaliate to any potential Israeli attack on Tehran's nuclear program.

The paper concluded by quoting senior Fatah member and former head of Palestinian general intelligence General Tawfik Tirawi as saying that "Hamas wants intifada [uprising]" and "will take over the West Bank.”

Last week, a poll by Khalil Shikaki of the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research found that 48 percent of the electorate in both the West Bank and Gaza would vote for Hamas leader Ismael Haniyeh if Palestinian elections were to be held, as opposed to 45% for current PA President Mahmoud Abbas.

The more extreme terrorist muslim brotherhood Hamas in charge of the West Bank would be detrimental to the peace process.A civil war in the West Bank by started by Hamas thugs would bring great suffering on the people.Iran seems to be sticking its greasy fingers into the mix causing trouble also.Is this the end of Abbas.Who has done a lot for PA at the UN and UNESCO.Surely people would not take Palestine as serious diplomatically if they had Hamas terrorists in charge of the West Bank.

**Heinz Guderian** · December 23, 2012, 06:33 AM

what if they elect Hamas? According to the poll, they could win.

**~~John ''True Grit'' Wayne~~** · December 23, 2012, 06:36 AM

Yes they would but then what would happen?Hamas has in its charter to take all the land back and all Jews dead.That is hardly going to make it easy for them to sit at the peace table with Israel and drink tea and eat cookies and talk about camel toes and humps

**NRohirrim** · December 23, 2012, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise

Yes they would but then what would happen?Hamas has in its charter to take all the land back and all Jews dead.That is hardly going to make it easy for them to sit at the peace table with Israel and drink tea and eat cookies.

WTF? Nobody is saying that all Jews must be dead. They can emigrate.

**Heinz Guderian** · December 23, 2012, 06:41 AM

Is that actually whats in its charter? i dont know whats in its charter. I'd go look at their website, but the feds are already giving me hard time over that Virgin Atlantic Pilot Apprenticeship Graduate Programme

**~~John ''True Grit'' Wayne~~** · December 23, 2012, 07:00 AM

You cant talk peace with Hamas unless you send the KKK who seem to have the same dress code .So if Hamas owns everything then there is no partner for peace.If the people want extremist Hamas over moderate Fatah then what does that say about the Palestinians desire to have peace talks.

Hamas v Fatah

**Kanaric** · December 23, 2012, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise

You cant talk peace with Hamas unless you send the KKK who seem to have the same dress code .So if Hamas owns everything then there is no partner for peace.If the people want extremist Hamas over moderate Fatah then what does that say about the Palestinians desire to have peace talks.

Hamas v Fatah

I would like to see a KKK vs Hamas fight. Hillbillies vs Terrorists, well both are terrorists really. Possibly hillbillies too.

**LSJ** · December 23, 2012, 07:34 PM

I'm afraid of Hamas gaining support democratically in the West Bank... Any group that puts "destroy Israel" in its charter is not going to take steps toward diplomatic solutions. I wonder what Israel will do if people in the West Bank vote for Hamas? They can't abide Hamas ruling Palestine so completely, but they can't just ban Hamas when it has so much support.

Maybe it will be the catalyst for the final showdown, where Israel blocks Hamas, Hamas gets pissed, launches attacks in retaliation, and then Israel finally goes all the way, occupying Gaza and destroying Hamas so completely that they become insignificant, and Fatah takes over with Israeli support whether most Palestinians want them to or not...

**Menelik_I** · December 23, 2012, 07:44 PM

Fatah is going to jump in the arms of Jordan and Qatar is not going to let their buddy King Hussein down, Hamas contagion to East Bank of Jordan is not impossible.

**Prosaic Visitant** · December 23, 2012, 07:53 PM

I wish all parties luck in any election, it is important for the people to have their voices heard and party variety is a good way to ensure this.

**hellheaven1987** · December 23, 2012, 07:53 PM

This is going to be fun, but it is democracy right?

**Menelik_I** · December 23, 2012, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

This is going to be fun, but it is democracy right?

We can deny an election to protect Gay rights ... who is up for Gay marriage in the Palestinian State

**hellheaven1987** · December 23, 2012, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Menelik_I

We can deny an election to protect Gay rights ... who is up for Gay marriage in the Palestinian State

In order to protect homosexual group of the world the Holy Order of Israeli Defense Force would persecute the evil Palestinians, how touching.

**Menelik_I** · December 23, 2012, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

In order to protect homosexual group of the world the Holy Order of Israeli Defense Force would persecute the evil Palestinians, how touching.

Gays are more important ... also IDF is the gayst army in the world

Originally Posted by tarvu

Haniyeh gets results and cooperation from Israel, so maybe it will be a good thing for Palestine. Israel's current government (Netanyahu and Lieberman) doesn't want a peace partner at this time, but has shown they are willing to give concessions to Palestinians if Hamas gives them the wars they need to stay in power.

You all talk as if "Israel won't stand for a Hamas led government" when they did nothing to prevent it in Gaza. If anything they support Hamas rising to power in the West Bank whether directly or indirectly. Nothing could be better for them politically.

How badie Bibi refuse to let his country be destroyed ... I am going to cry like a little baby.

**tarvu** · December 23, 2012, 10:45 PM

Originally Posted by Menelik_I

Gays are more important ... also IDF is the gayst army in the world

How badie Bibi refuse to let his country be destroyed ... I am going to cry like a little baby.

Ahh yes Bibi the heroic savior of Israel lol.

Tell me how he did this, by bombing Gaza for a few days and then giving Hamas concessions in a peace deal? What a badass

. Oh no that's right he primarily "saves Israel" by refusing to participate in, and actively hindering the peace process.

Face it for a hawk he does remarkably nothing to quell terrorism, he is all talk and chest beating. Gaza was not a victory, it is just further proof of his failure as "protector of Israel".

Talk to me in six months when the rockets are landing again in even greater numbers, and Hamas is ready for another "war" that to no one's surprise will accomplish remarkably nothing but more martyrs for Hamas and currency towards justifying more collective punishment for the hawks, except maybe a few more tragic civilian deaths.

**Prosaic Visitant** · December 23, 2012, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

This is going to be fun, but it is democracy right?

It's only democracy if the US government says so.

**tarvu** · December 23, 2012, 08:55 PM

Haniyeh gets results and cooperation from Israel, so maybe it will be a good thing for Palestine. Israel's current government (Netanyahu and Lieberman) doesn't want a peace partner at this time, but has shown they are willing to give concessions to Palestinians if Hamas gives them the wars they need to stay in power.

You all talk as if "Israel won't stand for a Hamas led government" when they did nothing to prevent it in Gaza. If anything they support Hamas rising to power in the West Bank whether directly or indirectly. Nothing could be better for them politically.

**Bobz** · December 27, 2012, 09:46 AM

What are you basing those hypothetical boundaries upon?

**NRohirrim** · December 28, 2012, 04:34 AM

@Bobz
1) There should be united territory of Palestine, because 2 parts wouldn't be good for future peace;
2) cities with majority of Jews - to Israel, cities with majority of Arabs - to Palestine;
3) Eliat (southernmost city) is exception - U can find there more Jews than Arabs, but like in 1) there shouldn't be also 2 parts of Israel;
4) Golan Heights to Syria;
5) few farms to Lebanon;
6) northernmost part of Israel with Kiryat Shmona city should become demilitarized zone under UN protection.

**Heinz Guderian** · December 28, 2012, 04:45 AM

NRohirrim, if the Jews arent in control of Jerusalem, then how is Jesus going to come back.

100% of all America posters on this forum who vehemently support Israel believe if the Jews control the Temple Mount, then Jesus will return and usher in the Kingdom of Heaven