25 turns to train elite units ?

[noelfaz]

i've just come back to this mod after a long break and enjoying it like i used to but i find the unit recruitment times to be a tad excessive for my taste
in principle i understand why it's like that i just find for me that 7 turns to train a new unit of snags is too much for the gameplay i want.
is there i way to edit the text files in my data folder to reduce it , i've looked myself but there are millions of text and words ? i have found it is possible to change many things and loving it ha .So i hope it is possible

[sanderman2]

7 turns for a snaga??
@ my place theyre 1...

Anyways you should go the export_descr_unit file
You can find it in C:\Program Files\SEGA\Medieval II Total War\mods\Third_Age_3\data


Now here is the thing you wanna change :

type Gondor Infantry
dictionary Gondor_Infantry ; Gondor Infantry
category infantry ; Quality
class heavy
voice_type Heavy
banner faction main_infantry
banner holy crusade
soldier Norse_Swordsmen, 60, 0, 1.2
officer gondor_captain_early_flag
officer gondor_captain_early_flag
mount_effect elephant +2
attributes sea_faring, hide_forest, can_withdraw, legionary_name, free_upkeep_unit
formation 1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 4, square
stat_health 1, 3
stat_pri 9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
stat_pri_attr no
stat_sec 0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
stat_sec_attr no
stat_pri_armour 8, 2, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour 0, 0, flesh
stat_heat 6
stat_ground 0, -2, 0, -2
stat_mental 14, disciplined, trained
stat_charge_dist 15
stat_fire_delay 0
stat_food 60, 300
stat_cost 1, 650, 270, 85, 85, 650, 3, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4, 5
armour_ug_models gondor_infantry, gondor_infantry_ug1, gondor_infantry_ug2
ownership sicily, timurids
era 0 sicily
era 1 sicily
era 2 sicily
recruit_priority_offset 10

The number directly after stat_cost is the the turns you need to recruit it.

[noelfaz]

No i mean after i train one unit i have to wait 7 turns for it to be available again . 7 turns to get a new unit of snags for isengard for example and 20 or more for elite units

[deusvult6]

That's in the EDB. TATW's is particularly complicated to allow for the different faction's productivity levels based on the regional terrain. So it will take editing multiple entries for each level of building. First I would check in your game that this isn't what is causing your grief as it is intentional. Orcs have 100% replenishment in mountains, 75% in grassland, and 50% in desert or forest; better prospects than the good factions.

But if you still want to change it, go to the data folder he mentioned and find export_descr_building. Scroll down until you find the building which recruits the unit you want to change. Snagas should be in the barracks section.

town_watch city requires factions { sicily, byzantium, milan, scotland, turks, spain, venice, england, france, hre, portugal, egypt, mongols, moors, } 
        {
            convert_to 1
            capability
            {
                recruit_pool "High Sword"  1   0.12   2  0  requires factions { egypt, }  and region_religion orthodox 33 and hidden_resource forest

This is an example straight from the file. Find the unit you want. You see the name* there in quotes. There's a bunch of other stuff but all you need is the second number there in red. It shows what portion of a unit replenishes every turn. A value of 1 will have a new unit available very turn, .5 every two turns, the current value of .12 would require ~9 turns.

*The name given here is required to match the name given in the export_descr_unit file(EDU) and not the one given in game, so be warned, they occasionally vary.

EDIT: As a general rule, whenever you edit anything you should back up the file you plan to alter, just in case. Hope this helps.

[ppetrus]

What can be add is that the "1" before "0.12" is how many units are available from the start (that is, construction of barracks) and "2" behind "0.12" is how many units can wait in barracks for your recruitment.

[noelfaz]

deusvult6 - thank you that helps a lot i know the file you mean but it looked like nonsense because it was so unclear but now it is clear thanks guys ! are these changes save game compatible like changing unit stats ?

[Steward Denethor II]

They are save game compatible. Also I think part of your problem is the terrain of the regions.

[noelfaz]

My idea is to only have 3 units per faction that can be trained above normal . Say 1 unit every 2 or 3 turns instead of 1 every 7 or 10 turns . and to change it so the Ai build those units by upping the recruit_priority_offset so they train those units more . That's what i hope anyway . Why would the terrain of the regions make it more difficult ?

[Withwnar]

Why would the terrain of the regions make it more difficult ?

Because Orcs, for example, are more at home in mountains and therefore breed faster. And someone like Rohan would breed slower in mountains because they're men and need wide open spaces for crops etc. That's the idea anyway, so certain factions are 'stronger' in 'native' areas (terrains) and weaker in non-native.

[Dude with the Food]

I've known this but I never realised it went to 25 turns!!! Until this came up and then weirdly in an OOG campaign I found it took 25 turns for moutain trolls. The next day!