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    Default [THEORY] Will Bran Stark be the greatest warrior of all time? (Spoilers until ADWD)

    Alright so I've heard of this theory before, but the more I think about it the more I think it's true:
    Since Bran can warg into animals and possibly other creatures, could he become something great, even if he is stuck in that cave? He already Wargs into Hodor, unknown to everyone but him and Hodor (And it's not like Hodor will say anything) and Hodor is a brute of a man possibly one of the Strongest in the realm. When Bran wargs into him he could use his body as a vessel, and fight and walk and talk through Hodor. This is what I think Hodor's main purpose will be. Not only can Bran warg into Hodor though, he can warg into Summer, ravens and if he tries he could warg into other animals, which he could then use for his own advantage. (Maybe he could make a rival's horse buck him off and step on his face?) Bran can do all sorts of things. So what do you guys think? (Sorry if this has been posted before, it probably has but I couln't find it).

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    Apart from not being able to walk his main problem is the view from other people. No one is going to follow a "cripple" in Westeros.
    I do agree with your idea and he will be but I can't see him amounting to anything with out the use of his legs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toffeejay View Post
    Apart from not being able to walk his main problem is the view from other people. No one is going to follow a "cripple" in Westeros.
    I do agree with your idea and he will be but I can't see him amounting to anything with out the use of his legs.

    many people have in real life.

    charles V was disfigured in the face and could not eat properly
    baldwin IV of Jerusalem was a lepper and therefore not only contagious, but unbelievably weak.
    king tut died of malaria but he was crippled for many years.
    Nuada was king of the Tuatha Dé Danann only had one arm.
    The Warlord Chronicles show Mordred, King of Dumnonia having a clubfoot

    now in westeros

    jamie quite clearly still leads men
    the half hand
    Donal Noye
    Willas Tyrell is also castleton and heir to high garden also a cripple of the leg.

    remember bran "you will be as big as any of them on a horse"

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    I'm pretty sure Brynden will train Bran for something great and important, not just fighting random champions in Westeros. And they said how magic is less powerful in the south than in the north. He may be able to have fun in the North but in the South he would have a hard time.
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    He could send Hodor south or something. They may not no him as Bran, but maybe Rickon would know the truth?
    And why would he need his legs? that's the whole warging into Hodor idea..

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    Hodor might be a massive and powerful but he's still just one man. An arrow to the head will still kill him regardless of Bran's warging abilities. Not to mention that Hodor has no swordsmanship what so ever while Bran's is limited to that of a page, so unless he fights a load of enemies who decide not to use their weapons he won't do much.

    Also, as far as I can remember, Bran can only warg into creatures that he is touching or has a very close connection with, so warging into someone else's horse probably won't happen


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    We don't really have any idea of the extent of a greenseer's abilities yet. We see what Brynden has done, yes, but there are indications that Bran might be inherently much more powerful in innate ability compared to Brynden especially while viewing the past. He might have been able to affect it where Brynden claims this is not possible. Brynden only ever called to Bran, a fellow greenseer, in his dreams, while Bran was able to speak directly to Theon, who has no ability.

    Bran will be great and possess unimagined power before the end, but he will never be a knight or anything near it. He is the newest of the Old Gods. And their domain is his, their knowledge his, their power his once he learns to wield it.

    The greenseers of old are said to have broken the Arm of Dorne, a possibly mythical story, but the First Men held a strong fear of them, the Andals as well though the Children had already begun to wane by their arrival, and the wildlings still hold a strong respect for such powers.

    Quote Originally Posted by toffeejay View Post
    Apart from not being able to walk his main problem is the view from other people. No one is going to follow a "cripple" in Westeros.
    I do agree with your idea and he will be but I can't see him amounting to anything with out the use of his legs.
    He is a trueborn Stark and a son of "The Ned" who commands a dire wolf and rules over the powers of nature as the last greenseer, hardened by the War and his travels beyond the Wall. Why wouldn't the Northmen who are not actively disloyal and now find themselves saddled with a traitorous and notoriously sadistically cruel overlord not follow him? If Bran should face and overcome a dragon, why that will just about clinch it for everyone; even the Targs will have a tough choice to make there. (Just had the most awesome image of Daenerys kneeling before Bran in an awesome role reversal.)
    Westerosi aside, IRL there have been very effective but lame barbarian warlords, Ivar the Boneless, a Norse invader in Saxon England, and Timur Lang (Tamerlane) come readily to mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deusvult6 View Post
    He is the newest of the Old Gods.
    Once again deusvult has beaten me to the punchline. He isn't going to become a warrior, or a tree, he's going to become one of the Old Gods - but as I understand it, not until he dies. The way it is explained sounds like Greenseers go into the Weirwood trees when they die, and the trees are the Old Gods.

    He is clearly massively important going forward, the COTF have been waiting for him for a loooong time - Leaf says she walked the realms of men for 200 years to learn the common tongue ready for when he would come to them. Its specifically stated that BR has kept himself alive so he can train Bran. At 8 years old, with almost no training, he is an incredibly powerful warg and greenseer. Its already been established he can speak to his siblings through their wolfdreams, anything that has ever happened in front of a Weirwood tree he can see (and next time you re-read, make a note of everything that is done and said with a heart-tree looking on... ). He can warg wolves, ravens and humans. In future I expect he can warg anyone or anything - forget Hodor, Jaime Lannister, Barristan Selmy, any other great knight you care to mention. And dragons, lets not forget the dragons, BR did promise him he would fly
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    Quote Originally Posted by deusvult6 View Post
    Westerosi aside, IRL there have been very effective but lame barbarian warlords, Ivar the Boneless, a Norse invader in Saxon England, and Timur Lang (Tamerlane) come readily to mind.
    There are no actual historical facts that he was crippled.. just saying.

    Back to Westeros: I believe Bran will end up being a major piece in the coming Game of Thrones, though as a player in the shadows

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    didnt bran help Jon become aware of his warging abilities? in aCoK, when Jon uses Ghost to see the wildlings massing, he first sees a weirwood tree with his brothers face. and wonders if his brother always had 3 eyes. then the tree touched him on his forehead and he warged into Ghost. im sure thats how it went. brynden had to use another greenseer to get brans 3rd eye opened, but bran seemed to be able to do it to Jon quite easily. also, that incident happens when Bran is still at winterfell, so maybe it is bran in the future, after he gets to the cave much later on. maybe its still to happpen from brans perspective in a future book. that suggests he's pretty powerful.

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    I think all the Starks were born wargs, as they all have connections to their direwolves (Which was probably why house stark has the direwolf for their sigil, because they were wargs since the house was founded), but Bran is the only greenseer, and is a lot more powerful than Jon and all of the others. So maybe it would be more difficult to unlock a greenseer's power when compared to unlocking a warg's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButtSwag View Post
    I think all the Starks were born wargs, as they all have connections to their direwolves (Which was probably why house stark has the direwolf for their sigil, because they were wargs since the house was founded)
    Again, you could easily contradict by saying that Eddard wasn't a warg.

    Either were the majority of Stark kings. Not to mention that being a warg isn't directly linked to Direwolves, for example Orell and his eagle


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    Quote Originally Posted by ccllnply View Post
    Again, you could easily contradict by saying that Eddard wasn't a warg.

    Either were the majority of Stark kings. Not to mention that being a warg isn't directly linked to Direwolves, for example Orell and his eagle
    Recent generations aside, it does make you wonder why all the Kings of Winter are depicted with Direwolves at their sides. Being a beastling only became unpopular with the Andal Invasion, that whole "mark of the beast" thing the Freys mentioned and Slynt raved about before dying. The Andals did all they could to demonize beastlings, greenseers, and weirwoods to the point that the two former even fell out of favor in the North. In the time between their peace with the Children and the arrival of the Andals I imagine it would have been a point of great authority amongst the Old God-worshipping First Men.

    EDIT: BTW GRRM has confirmed that all the Stark kids are beastlings. He didn't mention if it was from birth or if it was caused by accepting the direwolf pups, but the Children mention that among them, at least, they are born with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deusvult6 View Post
    Recent generations aside, it does make you wonder why all the Kings of Winter are depicted with Direwolves at their sides. Being a beastling only became unpopular with the Andal Invasion, that whole "mark of the beast" thing the Freys mentioned and Slynt raved about before dying. The Andals did all they could to demonize beastlings, greenseers, and weirwoods to the point that the two former even fell out of favor in the North. In the time between their peace with the Children and the arrival of the Andals I imagine it would have been a point of great authority amongst the Old God-worshipping First Men.

    EDIT: BTW GRRM has confirmed that all the Stark kids are beastlings. He didn't mention if it was from birth or if it was caused by accepting the direwolf pups, but the Children mention that among them, at least, they are born with it.

    plus lets be honest if you had a wolf the size of a small horse i dont suppose anyone would with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccllnply View Post
    Again, you could easily contradict by saying that Eddard wasn't a warg.

    Either were the majority of Stark kings. Not to mention that being a warg isn't directly linked to Direwolves, for example Orell and his eagle
    You could, but there is no evidence that he isn't a warg either. Eddard didn't have a pet direwolf, as they haven't been seen south of the wall for a while. So if he was a warg, he wouldn't have known.

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    I rather think he'll be a Dragonrider. It's hinted at alot by the three eyed raven, you can fly and all that.

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    I sure hope you are all right! Really only wishes the best for Brandon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Korpskog View Post
    I sure hope you are all right! Really only wishes the best for Brandon
    me too.

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    I believe our Brandon Stark will be a warrior of the mind, and I also believe he has a higher purpose than war.
    Most likely!

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    unfortunately with grrm he likes to kill people

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    I believe our Brandon Stark will be a warrior of the mind, and I also believe he has a higher purpose than war.

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