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    The Pope took his opposition to gay marriage to new heights today, denouncing what he described as people manipulating their God-given gender to suit their sexual choices.


    He said they were destroying the very "essence of the human creature" in the process.

    Benedict XVI made the comments in his annual Christmas speech to the Vatican bureaucracy - one of his most important speeches of the year.

    He dedicated it this year to promoting family values in the face of vocal campaigns in France, the United States, Britain and elsewhere to legalise same-sex marriage.

    In his remarks, Benedict quoted the chief rabbi of France, Gilles Bernheim, in saying the campaign for granting gays the right to marry and adopt children was an "attack" on the traditional family made up of a father, mother and children.

    "People dispute the idea that they have a nature, given to them by their bodily identity, that serves as a defining element of the human being," he said. "They deny their nature and decide that it is not something previously given to them, but that they make it for themselves."

    "The manipulation of nature, which we deplore today where our environment is concerned, now becomes man's fundamental choice where he himself is concerned," he said.

    It was the second time in a week that Benedict has taken on the question of gay marriage, which is dividing France after proponents scored big electoral wins in the United States last month.

    In his recently released annual peace message, Benedict said gay marriage, like abortion and euthanasia, was a threat to world peace.

    After the peace message was released last week, gay activists staged a small protest in St. Peter's Square.

    Church teaching holds that homosexual acts are "intrinsically disordered," though it stresses that gays should be treated with compassion and dignity.

    As Pope and as head of the Vatican's orthodoxy watchdog before that, Benedict has been a strong enforcer of that teaching: One of the first major documents of his pontificate said men with "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies shouldn't be ordained priests.

    For the Vatican, though, the gay marriage issue goes beyond questions of homosexuality, threatening what the church considers to be the bedrock of society: a family based on a man, woman and their children.

    But the Vatican's opposition has been falling on deaf ears. Under then-Socialist leader Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero, the largely Roman Catholic Spain legalised gay marriage.

    Earlier this month, the British government announced it will introduce a Bill next year legalising gay marriage, though it would ban the Church of England from conducting same-sex ceremonies.

    In France, President Francois Hollande has said he would enact his "marriage for everyone" plan within a year of taking office last May.

    The text will go to parliament next month. But the country has been divided by vocal opposition from religious leaders, prime among them Bernheim, as well as some politicians and parts of rural France.

    The Socialist government's plan also envisions legalising same-sex adoptions. Benedict quoted Bernheim as denouncing that in his view, under the plan, a child is now essentially considered an object people have a right to obtain.

    "When freedom to be creative becomes the freedom to create oneself, then necessarily the Maker himself is denied and ultimately man too is stripped of his dignity as a creature of God,"
    Benedict said.
    Wow this sounds terrible.Jesus would not talk like this.We need a new Pope and a new Catholic Church.

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    Gays shouldn't have right to adoption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Gays shouldn't have right to adoption.
    Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Why?
    Coz children should got normal home and not beeing treat by other childrens like some wierdo. Beside that, it's not natural with the God and nature of human. Normally, pair of woman and man can have a kid by born. Even pair of lesbians. But gays never. It's reason for that, and we shouldn't change that.

    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    That's funny. I thought many in Vatican love little boys.
    It's sad, I think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Coz children should got normal home and not beeing treat by other childrens like some wierdo. Beside that, it's not natural with the God and nature of human. Normally, pair of woman and man can have a kid by born. Even pair of lesbians. But gays never. It's reason for that, and we shouldn't change that.
    Se because people are dumb and stupid bigots other people should be denied rights? Rights that could improve the lives of literally millions of suffering children?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manco View Post
    Se because people are dumb and stupid bigots other people should be denied rights? Rights that could improve the lives of literally millions of suffering children?
    What a wonderful worldview you have, totally not despicable and cowardly.
    I think it's better worldview than that presented by selfish men, who want to make for themselves another ,,toy'' from a little human being. I suppose, many kids would rather hang themselves. ,,The toys'' come and go, but trauma in the kiddo's mind is lefted for entire life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Coz children should got normal home and not beeing treat by other childrens like some wierdo.
    Thats not valid reasoning. The problem isn't the people raising the children, but the bigots treating them differently.

    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Beside that, it's not natural with the God and nature of human. Normally, pair of woman and man can have a kid by born. Even pair of lesbians. But gays never. It's reason for that, and we shouldn't change that.
    God does not determine laws at least in America. Religion does not determine who and who can't raise kids. Stop forcing your religion onto others please.

    Also don't give me the that homosexuality isn't natural. Look at nature and tell me how many species of animals exhibit homosexual behavior.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vanoi View Post
    Thats not valid reasoning. The problem isn't the people raising the children, but the bigots treating them differently.
    And why someone have to put children in that bad situation? Isn't that selfish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Coz children should got normal home and not beeing treat by other childrens like some wierdo. Beside that, it's not natural with the God and nature of human. Normally, pair of woman and man can have a kid by born. Even pair of lesbians. But gays never. It's reason for that, and we shouldn't change that.


    It's sad, I think.
    A good friend of mine were raised by two mothers. An acquaintance of mine has two fathers. They grew up perfectly 'normal' and straight. They were loved and cared for and often times in those scenarios one or the other naturally takes on the 'fatherly' role and the 'motherly' role almost instinctually. Hell, my own father was more of a mother and my mother was more of a father figure.

    I was bullied pretty badly despite having a 'normal' family. You can't use your arbitrarily drawn definition of 'normal' to have any bearing something like denying a child a family just because its not 'traditional'. Would you rather the kid grow up in foster homes or with a single parent? People are mean to each other regardless of sexual orientation or of family values.
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    Default Re: Pope accuses gay people of denying their nature.

    That's funny. I thought many in Vatican love little boys.


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    Gays shouldn't have right to adoption.
    Agreed. Unless half of couples are gays/lesbians there is no reason we should allow weird couples to adopt children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aqd View Post
    That's funny. I thought many in Vatican love little boys.


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    Agreed. Unless half of couples are gays/lesbians there is no reason we should allow weird couples to adopt children.
    "deep-seated" homosexual tendencies shouldn't be ordained priests.'' Here you see the Pope blaming the rape of young boys on gay people.

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    It may be confusing for kids to have 2 daddy's but look at Elton John adopting.His kids will be millionaires.Better than living in some orphanage.And most Gay men seem to be very kind and motherly.I would not have issue with gays having kids.

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    So the religion forcing an unnatural lifestyle on its own clergymen, possibly in part responsible for how ed up some of them are, once again pretends to know what is and what isn't supposed to be in whatever the hell they think is the natural order.
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    Having gay parents would be great. Millions of people across the world already have gay parents, but they're closeted and pretend to be heterosexual to have a "normal" life. That's a real perversion of nature, the pressure and oppression exerted by these bigoted and petty organizations has altered human nature to such a point that most people can no longer recognize reality.
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    Milions u say? Let's go further. If everyone would be a homosexual, it would be equal to stop of reproducing and exctintion of human kind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    Milions u say? Let's go further.
    The percentage of homosexuality occurring naturally in humans is 3%, 3% of 7 billion is 210 million.

    If everyone would be a homosexual, it would be equal to stop of reproducing and exctintion of human kind.
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    We need gender discrimination because gays are 'weird', obviously.

    I guess we should be happy the pope didn't read the bible, because if he did he would've said gay people deserve death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Himster View Post
    The percentage of homosexuality occurring naturally in humans is 3%, 3% of 7 billion is 24 million.
    This maths ... xD 3% of 7 billion is 210 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRohirrim View Post
    @Himster
    Milions u say? Let's go further. If everyone would be a homosexual, it would be equal to stop of reproducing and exctintion of human kind.
    Oh please, to act straight is a piece of cake. I've had a girlfriend before, and I'm gay .
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    I do not know how it is against nature if mother nature made people this way.

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    The same argument was made when black people sought rights/freedom: it was argued that god/nature made them inherently subservient.
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