The Reinstatement of Tostig

[Perikles]

Right, I think it's time Tostig rejoined the ranks of the Civitates. I believe he is wasted sitting on the sidelines of the curia, during this time of reform. I think he should be reinstated as a Civitate, he was not ostrakoned by the Curia and has only just resigned his status, so therefore he is in essence a Civitate without the badge.

I've posted this in the Suggestus, and now I post it here to see what the Civitates think. Should Tostig be reinstated as a Civitate? Or does he need to go through the patronisation process again?

[Seleukos]

Reinstated.

[Aristocrat]

I assume he wants to be reinstated.
If so then it is fine with me and good for the curia.

[Sétanta]

Resigning your 'commission' as a civitate is not something to be treated lightly and therefore should mean your resignation is serious, final. If you resign then you should have to earn it back, because you are the one who voluntarily resigned it.

Now, Tostig does deserve the rank, but should still have to earn it back non the less

[Richard the Lionheart]

I've posted this in the Suggestus, and now I post it here to see what the Civitates think. Should Tostig be reinstated as a Civitate? Or does he need to go through the patronisation process again?

Does he actually want it back?

[Muizer]

I don't think reinstatement is a precedent we'd want to set. That said, I have no problems with re-patronization. If a former Civitate is patronized I would assume the Consilium de Civitate would consider his resignation and motivation for wanting to return.

[MoROmeTe]

If Tostig wants his rank back then he shouls undergo the patronization process again as we really should be very carrefull about setting such a big old precedent outside of the rules. Maybe next Ferrets wants to be "reinstated" in place of looking for patronage...

[Seleukos]

If Tostig wants his rank back then he shouls undergo the patronization process again as we really should be very carrefull about setting such a big old precedent outside of the rules. Maybe next Ferrets wants to be "reinstated" in place of looking for patronage...

You know thats far and wide. Ferrets lost his rank not resigned it. You dont have to do everything by the book.

[Perikles]

You know thats far and wide. Ferrets lost his rank not resigned it. You dont have to do everything by the book.

I agree, he did not lose his rank. He took it away from himself, similar to the people who were suspended when they were doing exams, did they have to go through the repatronisation process? No, but they did volunterily resign their rank didn't they?

[Aristocrat]

Yes, let us make up more useless bureaucracy so the civitates become even more of a joke...
Reinstatement should be treated on a case by case basis, simple as that.

[Kaweh]

Erm... JP... did Tostig actually SAY he want's to be reistated?

Because when I asked him he said "Froffle" (which is his english version of ROFL, meaning "****ing rofl".)

K.K

[Perikles]

http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showt...54#post1127254

:wink:

And for future reference:

Tostig replies to everything with 'froffle'

[Kaweh]

And for future reference:

Tostig replies to everything with 'froffle'[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he told me.

K.K

[Ragabash]

Lets drop the politics this time and re-evaluate does Tostig deserve be reinstated as a Civitate, which he undoubtly does.

[Perikles]

Lets drop the politics this time and re-evaluate does Tostig deserve be reinstated as a Civitate, which he undoubtly does.

I agree, that is exactly the sort of attitude needed now...

[Belisarius]

If he wants to come back, we should let him, if not - no.

[Muizer]

Lets drop the politics this time and re-evaluate does Tostig deserve be reinstated as a Civitate, which he undoubtly does.

Then he should find a patron. That is consistent and fair to the Civitates who may have at some time considered resigning and either left quietly or decided to stay without a fuss. That is not being legalistic or politicking for the sake of it, just a matter of common decency to not use double standards.

[CaptainCernick]

It was a political statement he was making. I'm sorry, but re-instating that makes his statement only lose credibility. So if he wants to be re-instated, that looks like he's backing down.
That said, I don't really care if he follows the patroning procedure or not to be made civitates again. Part of me agrees with Muizer and Mudd, another part of me sais "Ach, what the hell..."

[Seleukos]

Then he should find a patron. That is consistent and fair to the Civitates who may have at some time considered resigning and either left quietly or decided to stay without a fuss. That is not being legalistic or politicking for the sake of it, just a matter of common decency to not use double standards.

His patron is and always was Garb. The people who have considered resigning havent so that is not relivent. And the only person who I can think of who has resigned for whatever reason quietly or not is Epistolary Richard. Before that, Boris. So I dont think this matters. Quit the buearacracy and reinstate him and get it over with.

[Perikles]

His patron is and always was Garb. The people who have considered resigning havent so that is not relivent. And the only person who I can think of who has resigned for whatever reason quietly or not is Epistolary Richard. Before that, Boris. So I dont think this matters. Quit the buearacracy and reinstate him and get it over with.

Exactly...