After 40 units, could CA please include AI assistance stacks?

[DavidtheDuke]

I really wish this would be reinintroduced. It was a big step backwards IMO in reinforcements logic.. 40 units is beyond my ability to control well anyway but even considering that I want my enemy and to be able to bring to bear what we have on the strategic map and not limit because of a game mechanic. M2TW didn't force them to stay back and I understand I shouldn't able able to control 60 units, and wouldn't even mind if it was scaled back to 20 units with AI assistance thrown back in. What does everyone else think?

[Petroniu]

Yeah, I think a system like that should be in place. It would help to the scale of battles while keeping your command ability to a reasonable point.

[DavidtheDuke]

Yeah, I think a system like that should be in place. It would help to the scale of battles while keeping your command ability to a reasonable point.

Exactly, the scale of battles eventually gets beyond a normal person's ability to control. I understand at some point even my brilliant leadership should be temporarily handed over to my lessers.

[Dominici]

Ah, M2tw the good old days. When BIG battles wern't 5 units fighting 5 units with 15 units in resevere.

[RGA]

The only thing I hate about 40 unit battles is, it doubles the unit number on the battlefield and brings my poor computer to its knee.

[sabaku_no_gaara]

I wasn't verry fond of the AI assistance, the AI was really talented at suiciding a verry nicely balanced army. it came to a point where I would create an army specificcaly to be the supporting force (make them all ranged to harass the enemy whilst your own army marches slowly towards the enemy, or make them all cheap spears for the same goal) and march that army against the oposition and then take my real army and attack.

Then again managing is problematic without AI assistance, but lack of control is also problematic, it's a difficult choise really.

[UsulDaNeriak]

I would like to see a more sophisticated approach for multi-stack-battles. I agree, that 20 units per stack is enough and btw it fits perfectly to 1 roman legion of 10 cohorts plus roughly the same amount of auxilia / alae.

But, there were fights with more than 1 legion and sometimes it make sense to attack with 2 or more stacks. In this case I would still prefer, that I control 1 stack, see just 20 unitcards, and the (hopefully improved) AI controls the other stacks. But I would like a feature, were i can switch to the other stacks and control them, after I gave orders to my 1st stack. Perhaps a solution like you switch hotbars in MMOs on the bottom of your screen (Ctrl-2 = switch unit cards to stack 2). Together with the pause function you would be able to control your stacks pretty good. Even if you prefer to play real-time, it would help to avoid the most stupid actions of the AI.

[Dude with the Food]

Or it comes with an option like in TATW where you can order your other stacks into aggresive, defensive and shootout stances. Or take this a step further and tell them to make basic manouvres like flank,
avoid cantact and feint a retreat. You could end up playing battles where you only control the general. May end up interesting.

[Kahvipannu]

It was mentioned it is 40 units including the naval ones, so it could mean 20 land units + 20 naval units per battle limit, which isn't same as leading 40 land units...

[Dan113112]

Here's an idea. Have the option to choose between 20 or 40 unit stacks prior to starting a new game.

[Karnil Vark Khaitan]

people we can pause the game, and I remember back in m2tw were people hated the AI assistance.

[Mahakar]

I assume that you will be able to controll 20 land units and 20 ships in one battle. I do not think there will be armies with 40 units in them. They didnt announce anything else in this video.

[DavidtheDuke]

people we can pause the game, and I remember back in m2tw were people hated the AI assistance.

Either way, I just want a way where it is at least possible to have more than 40 units on the field, especially sine alot of times many of those units are ill-manned etc. I really think the only limit should be to how many you can have squeezed into the strategic map

[Ngazi]

Keep all infantry in their lines, use the formation hotkeys, don't get too tunnel-visioned on a small part of the battle, don't worry if you aren't a high apm player, just let your units do their thing once they start fighting.

But most of all have a formation and stick to it.

Pausing the game will never help you get better, don't use it unless you are legitimately pausing to leave your computer.

Of course I have nothing against AI assistance in the game, but it is impossible to make it read your mind (i.e. not suicide).

[†GABRIEL†]

I really wish this would be reinintroduced. It was a big step backwards IMO in reinforcements logic.. 40 units is beyond my to control well anyway but even considering that I want my enemy and to be able to bring to bear what we have on the strategic map and not because of a game mechanic. M2TW didn't force them to stay back and I understand I shouldn't able able to control 60 units, and wouldn't even mind if it was scaled back to 20 units with AI thrown back in. What does everyone else think?

Maybe just 30 units and increase the number of soldiers per unit from 400 up

[DavidtheDuke]

Maybe just 30 units and increase the number of soldiers per unit from 400 up

Well the problem is you could have ill-manned units when a reinforcement could easily fix that. Personally I think you should be able to field as many units as the strategic map allows. M2TW gave a middle point to this where someone would have to edit the .txt file themselves to change it to where men on the battlefield was unlimited.

[†GABRIEL†]

Well the problem is you could have ill-manned units when a reinforcement could fix that. Personally I think you should be able to field as many units as the strategic map allows. M2TW gave a middle point to this where someone would have to edit the .txt file themselves to change it to where men on the was unlimited.

I for one, want more than 40 units and the possibility of being able to share a unit in two even the unit card must to be split in two, so that we can select either of two halves...All this for an even better tactic battle.

[Lethe]

The ability to put another army under AI assistance was one of the best features in Medieval 2, and I wish they would have kept it in for Shogun 2. Made it more manageable and also made me feel like I actually had an ally in the battle instead of being by myself.

[UsulDaNeriak]

The ability to put another army under AI assistance was one of the best features in Medieval 2, ...

Hmm, Up to 2 additional armies under AI control was already possible in Rome 1. At least in the mods I played. All I need is, to switch to them, in order to give them some orders and than switch back to my main army. For example I like to stop this bloody AI general, when he starts to charge a macedonian phalanx frontally

[Himster]

40 controllable units is fine, what would be nice would be 40 controllable units and another 40 AI controlled units for battles with 4 stacks. I was always annoyed when I had more than two stacks in a force but I could only use 2 in the battle, unless I lost a stack.