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    Default Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    So, the British Queen, supposedly independent and neutral from politics, in this "constitutional landmark," has sat in a meeting of the cabinet, even sitting in the Prime Minister's seat. So much for that monarchist notion of neutrality and non-interference.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-20757382

    The Queen has become the first monarch since 1781 - the time of the US war of independence - to attend a cabinet meeting in Downing Street.

    Prime Minister David Cameron greeted the Queen at the door of Number 10, posing for photos before going inside.

    She met ministers, who were presenting her with a gift to mark her Diamond Jubilee after 60 years on the throne.

    She sat in the PM's usual seat - with Mr Cameron and Foreign Secretary William Hague sat either side.

    It is believed to be the first time a monarch has attended peace-time cabinet since George III in 1781. George I ceased to chair cabinet in 1717.

    The Queen's father, King George VI, attended war cabinet during the Second World War.

    The cabinet, which usually meets weekly, is the group of 20-30 senior ministers who are responsible for running the departments of state and decide government policy

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    Her car, accompanied by motorcycle outriders, arrived shortly after 10:05 GMT.

    Members of the cabinet had already arrived, while a man with a broom had swept the red carpet, laid in front of the door of Number 10 for the occasion.

    Once inside, the Queen was introduced to each of the government's senior ministers in turn, as they bowed or curtseyed.


    The Queen met members of the cabinet before the meeting began
    She shared jokes with Chancellor George Osborne, Defence Secretary Philip Hammond, and Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg.

    After the Queen and the cabinet had taken their seats, Mr Cameron formally welcomed her to the meeting and outlined the items of business on the agenda.

    It began with Chief Whip Sir George Young talking about the change to royal accession rules, to allow a first born girl to become head of state even if she has a younger brother.

    There were also updates on the forthcoming parliamentary business and Ken Clarke spoke about prospective justice measures.

    There was a much larger than usual press pack opposite No 10, although no questions were shouted at the Queen as she arrived.

    While the Queen is head of state, her involvement in day-to-day political decisions is largely formal.

    The prime minister visits her regularly for an audience where he updates her on events, while she is also expected to rubber-stamp ministerial decisions at meetings of the Privy Council.

    The Queen plays a central ceremonial role in the state opening of Parliament, when she travels by ornate horse-drawn coach to the House of Lords to read out a speech prepared by ministers unveiling details of their legislative plans.

    She also retains the power to appoint the prime minister.

    'Constitutional landmark'
    The prime minister's spokesman said the Queen would spend about 30 minutes at the meeting.

    The spokesman said he imagined she would speak, despite being described as an observer.

    Rodney Barker, professor of government at the London School of Economics, said the plan was "daft", because "it will mean potentially the Queen will know things she is not supposed to know and hear things she is not supposed to hear".

    But Professor Jane Ridley, biographer of Edward VII, disagreed, telling BBC Radio 4's Today it was "testimony of the Queen's ability to elevate the monarchy above politics" that she could attend cabinet.

    It was a "constitutional landmark", she added.

    Former Cabinet Secretary Lord O'Donnell told BBC Radio 4 that he thought the visit was the "right thing to do" - the Queen was above politics, "for the whole country, for everyone".

    "I'm sure cabinet want to do this because they want to say thank you. I mean, I've always viewed the Queen as kind-of the ultimate public servant. You think what she's done during her jubilee period and they just want to say thank you," he added.

    He said that there had been other people attending cabinet in the past - such as business bosses during regional cabinet meetings, and someone like Lord Coe for presentations on specific events, in his case the Olympics.
    I'll look for a better and more neutral source than the BBC, but this will do for now.

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    Well, she is, after all, inherently better than all other British citizens, since she is the only one who can hold that particular position.

    If any unelected person was going to sit in on cabinet meetings, you'd want it to be someone who's inherently superior because of their birth, right?

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    How is the queen politically neutral? The word "queen" itself is a political one.

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    Default Re: Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    According to monarchists, she's supposed to be neutral and not involve herself in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    According to monarchists, she's supposed to be neutral and not involve herself in politics.
    All due to the fact of this new "USA imperialistic democratic" gibberish influence on the world. I still think the Queen should take the sit and rule the country as was done since... forever.

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    The Queen wants her power back I see another civil war on the way.
    The Queen is not allowed to be a Catholic Jewish or Black is that right?
    Just because some lewd fat and excommunicated king Henry declared to create his own church, it doesn't mean it can not be changed again in the future by the Queen or King.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lazzeer View Post
    When she/Charles starts attending every cabinet meeting, is in regular attendance at Downing Street, and is dictating government policy then maybe I'll get worried. For now the whole thing was just a photo op.
    And why would you be worried about that? Really, what is there to worry about?

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    Default Re: Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    She's supposed to be neutral, but she can't be: her position has a vested interest in the status-quo, she is inherently conservative.
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    Default Re: Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    The Queen's political views aren't really known. She's sitting in the cabinet meeting as a symbolic gesture and is there as an observer.

    So non-thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    The Queen's political views aren't really known.
    To conquer France. This is pretty well known.

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    ITT I pretend to care about what the British queen does.

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    No claim. The claim was officially abandoned in 1801, when France became a Republic. That'd be George III.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    No claim. The claim was officially abandoned in 1801, when France became a Republic. That'd be George III.
    If the crown dropped their claim to France, then what do we do about all these damned Frenchmen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Border Patrol View Post
    If the crown dropped their claim to France, then what do we do about all these damned Frenchmen?
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    The Queen wants her power back I see another civil war on the way.
    The Queen is not allowed to be a Catholic Jewish or Black is that right?
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    Default Re: Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    She was sitting watching a cabinet meeting, not declaring war on Germany. Not really worth any sort of discussion is it?

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    "After the Queen and the cabinet had taken their seats, Mr Cameron formally welcomed her to the meeting and outlined the items of business on the agenda.

    It began with Chief Whip Sir George Young talking about the change to royal accession rules, to allow a first born girl to become head of state even if she has a younger brother."

    If this is the reason she attended the meeting then I do not see any problem. This is a change which would affect her family primarily.
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    Default Re: Politically neutral British Queen sits in on cabinet from the PM's seat

    Hell maybe she is bored. This thread is about a non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferrets54 View Post
    The Queen's political views aren't really known. She's sitting in the cabinet meeting as a symbolic gesture and is there as an observer.

    So non-thread.
    Indeed, something which no monarch has done since 1781 is a non issue entirely. Other monarchs were probably too busy gardening or something.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ishoss View Post
    "After the Queen and the cabinet had taken their seats, Mr Cameron formally welcomed her to the meeting and outlined the items of business on the agenda.

    It began with Chief Whip Sir George Young talking about the change to royal accession rules, to allow a first born girl to become head of state even if she has a younger brother."

    If this is the reason she attended the meeting then I do not see any problem. This is a change which would affect her family primarily.
    There have been many acts of governments which have affected the monarchy since 1781, yet the monarch never intervened by sitting in on a cabinet council.

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    A bit of a non-issue to be honest, she is head of state so is it really any surprise that she is interested in what the cabinet does? Besides, she reads the cabinets minutes anyway so the only difference is that she decided to attend this particular meeting.

    The only interesting point is that she is the first British monarch to attend a cabinet meeting since George III.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Engie View Post
    A bit of a non-issue to be honest, she is head of state so is it really any surprise that she is interested in what the cabinet does? Besides, she reads the cabinets minutes anyway so the only difference is that she decided to attend this particular meeting.

    The only interesting point is that she is the first British monarch to attend a cabinet meeting since George III.
    There is a difference between reading the results of an election and voting in one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    There is a difference between reading the results of an election and voting in one.
    Are you suggesting that the Queen sets government policy?

    I realise that she is head of state, but she has little real power over the House of Commons and the cabinet. We do have parliamentary supremacy here in the UK, we aren't an absolute monarchy any more and haven't been since the Glorious Revolution.
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