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    Default Gerard Depardieu flees France to seek Belgium asylum from wealth tax

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ealth-tax.html

    Gerard Depardieu has become the latest rich Frenchman to flee his country and the stinging wealth taxes levied by Francois Hollande, the Socialist President of France.
    The French Le Point magazine noted that Mr Depardieu would be joining members of the wealthy Mulliez family, who own the Auchan supermarket chain, in a small village that has become "a haven for rich Northern families" with a French population of 27 per cent.

    "Nechin may well be less glamorous than London, Geneva, Brussels or even its climate less pleasant than Monaco [but its wealthy French residents] enjoy extreme Belgian clemency for large fortunes," it noted.
    I read in Knack today that 500 more Frenchmen are on the waitinglist to become Belgians.


    Mr Gérard has received lots of criticism and published an open letter:

    EDIT: better article from the telegraph:

    Asterix and Obelix have deserted Gaul. Or at least the two actors who played them in three blockbuster movies have. With Gérard “Obelix” Depardieu’s much-trumpeted exile to Belgium last week, following Christian “Asterix” Clavier’s move to London in October, France has lost her best-known fictional heroes, undefeated by Julius Caesar’s legions, but vanquished by François Hollande’s punitive new 75 per cent top marginal income tax rate, recently hiked capital gains tax, and reinforced wealth tax.

    The symbolism has not been lost on the French. When France’s richest man, Bernard Arnault, the CEO and main shareholder of the luxury behemoth LVMH, applied for Belgian citizenship last August, it was easy for Socialists to paint him as an unpatriotic, despicable fat cat. “Get lost, you rich b------” blasted a headline on the front page of Libération, the Left-wing daily, effectively capturing the national mood.

    But Depardieu is a vastly different proposition from a wealthy tycoon and former asset-stripper whose children’s weddings warrant 10-page spreads in society magazines. When Jean-Marc Ayrault, France’s prime minister, contemptuously called him “a pathetic loser”, Depardieu shot back with an open letter published on Sunday. “I was born in 1948,” he wrote, “I started working aged 14, as a printer, as a warehouseman, then as an actor, and I’ve always paid my taxes.” Over 45 years, Depardieu said, he had paid 145 million euros in tax, and to this day employs 80 people. Last year he paid taxes amounting to 85 per cent of his income. “I am neither worthy of pity nor admirable, but I shall not be called 'pathetic’,” he concluded, saying that he was sending back his French passport.

    For a few hours, the government spin doctors thought the French, whose deep mistrust of money is rooted in a dual heritage of Catholicism and unreconstructed Marxism, would join in the public shaming. It did not happen. An online poll conducted by the popular Le Parisien tabloid showed almost 70 per cent supporting the country’s wayward son and poster boy for glorious political incorrectness.

    Depardieu has lit up on Jonathan Ross’s show (and growlingly ground his cigarette stub into the studio carpet after a heated exchange); has urinated in an overflowing plastic bottle on an Air France plane after being refused permission to use the loo; has kicked the fenders off an offending car which had crowded him in a Paris street; once peed (not on purpose) on the leg of a Deauville policeman who asked for an autograph in a car park; has punched countless paparazzi on three continents; and over the years has managed to alienate many fellow stars with the kind of blunt talk no luvvie would ever utter. “She has nothing, I can’t even comprehend how she made 50 movies,” he once said of Juliette Binoche.


    Depardieu is excessive in every way, but he’s never been a hypocrite: there have been no stints in rehab after one too many drunken brawls; no staged acts of contrition at any moment of his chaotic private life; no tabloid-monitored diets or fitness regimes. A working-class boy with no formal training but a miraculous gift for bringing to life the most complex nuances of almost every character he has played, he manages to make the classics as accessible as Asterix. He has made over 170 movies and given memorable stage performances – his Tartuffe, the protagonist of Molière’s eponymous play, ranks up there with Louis Jouvet’s historic 1950 performance, exposing the vulnerability and vertiginous loss of control of a devout hypocrite usually played for laughs. He makes his own wine from his own vineyards, owns two restaurants, has written cookbooks of hearty traditional French cuisine. He is, perhaps, a compendium of what the French most aspire to be, taken to epic heights.

    He’s been an amnesiac Napoleonic colonel under the Bourbon kings (Le Colonel Chabert); the Provençal peasant ruined by the drought in Jean de Florette; Cyrano de Bergerac on stage and screen; Christopher Columbus for Ridley Scott; Reynaldo in Branagh’s Hamlet. He has worked with Bertolucci, Ang Lee (in Life of Pi), Godard, Resnais, Handke, Truffaut, Wajda, Weir; he’s been Jean Valjean and Rasputin. In short, he is a monument, and he is very difficult to hate.

    I remember seeing him at a Cannes film festival party, more than 20 years ago, given in a villa on the hills by Premiere magazine when it was edited by the magnificent Michèle Halberstadt. It was raining violently, the music was blaring in every room of the house, and alone in the sodden garden, in the middle of a waterlogged flowerbed, drenched, his face to the starless sky, like an Easter Island statue, was Depardieu, howling at the cloud-veiled moon. Now that he is settling in an 800,000-euro Walloon house less than a mile from the French border, I can imagine him howling in just the same way at the Hollande crowd and assorted spin doctors. He won’t let them forget him.
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    With the French implementing a tax on milionaires that takes 75% of anyone generating 1 milion many reach people flee France for Switzerland, London and Belgium, Gerard dépardieu is the more recent one and most famous one, do you think he deserves the scorn he got? And do you think he could be seen as an axample or even a great argument against mr Hollande's tax them filthy rich boys policy?


    Personally I believe 75% is exessive alltough some people do earn far too much, and don't think he deserves all the scorn he got prior to publishing his letter
    Last edited by sabaku_no_gaara; December 18, 2012 at 07:01 AM.

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    My favourite Frenchman.

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    Default Re: Gerard Depardieu flees France to seek Belgium asylum from wealth tax

    He's handed in his passport. He's no longer French or anything for that matter.

    The irony here is that he made his name in the french film industry which is, you guessed it, subsidised by the French (and now European) taxpayer.

    He can off.
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    I particularly liked the time he pissed in the aisle of the plane.

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    Obelix remains in Gaule, technically.

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    Default Re: Gerard Depardieu flees France to seek Belgium asylum from wealth tax

    wouldnt monaco be a better tax refuge for a french speaker?

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    Default Re: Gerard Depardieu flees France to seek Belgium asylum from wealth tax

    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    wouldnt monaco be a better tax refuge for a french speaker?
    Frenchmen living in Monaco pay French taxes

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    Camulodunium has a beach, too, and certainly no French taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blau&Gruen View Post
    Camulodunium has a beach, too, and certainly no French taxes.
    But In Belgium he can speak his own language and enjoy fine food en fine wine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    But In Belgium he can speak his own language and enjoy fine food en fine wine.
    Wine in Belgium?


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    What's the tax? 75% ? This is crazy and i wonder why more people are not fleeing ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    What's the tax? 75% ? This is crazy and i wonder why more people are not fleeing ?
    Because they realize when you make a million a year you can still make a pretty comfortable life out of 250,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy View Post
    Because they realize when you make a million a year you can still make a pretty comfortable life out of 250,000.
    250.000 Isn't much, If I want to buy the remaining 95%of this house from my parents I'll need more than that. And this house isn't even entirely finnished yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sabaku_no_gaara View Post
    250.000 Isn't much, If I want to buy the remaining 95%of this house from my parents I'll need more than that. And this house isn't even entirely finnished yet.
    75% is for the income you have left after the initial 1 million is taxed, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John F. Kennedy View Post
    Because they realize when you make a million a year you can still make a pretty comfortable life out of 250,000.
    The problem is that a lot of people who get really rich tend to reinvest their money. Having enough to "live comfortably" is one thing but from both a national and personal perspective it would be nice to be in a situation where I have enough to start company and preferrably even have the funds to survive a failure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    What's the tax? 75% ? This is crazy and i wonder why more people are not fleeing ?

    Because it's 75% of everything OVER a million.

    I.e. if you make 1million 100 Euros, the 75% tax of over a million is just 75 Euros (That are added to something like 400-450K you pay for the million)

    Of course, if you make 5 Million Euros, you pay like 400-450K for the first million and then 3 Millions for the other 4 Millions.

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    Its obvious that the rich shouldn't be taxed at all, I mean think about it guys. While we the middle class take their horrible burden, the rich will get richer and richer which they deserve. However, that money will trickle down to us middle class folk and we'll be rich, one day
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    Quote Originally Posted by alhoon View Post
    Because it's 75% of everything OVER a million.

    I.e. if you make 1million 100 Euros, the 75% tax of over a million is just 75 Euros (That are added to something like 400-450K you pay for the million)

    Of course, if you make 5 Million Euros, you pay like 400-450K for the first million and then 3 Millions for the other 4 Millions.
    yeah, it's crazy as i said. if i make 5 M €, i'll pay a tax of 3.5 M € ! That's robbery

    England opened its arms to French rich people. I would go live there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odenat View Post
    yeah, it's crazy as i said. if i make 5 M €, i'll pay a tax of 3.5 M € ! That's robbery

    England opened its arms to French rich people. I would go live there.
    Please read my post in the previous page. All this talk about the 75% tax being high is paranoia. Everyone contributes according to his abilities. If a person with 150.000 income/year pays 31% of his income as tax, it's justified that someone with tenfold that income will pay a little more. People like Depardieu refuse to contribute when at the same time millions are below the poverty threshold. But it's also his right to leave, the rich have always been fleeing in hard times. The rest of the people can judge for themselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Please read my post in the previous page. All this talk about the 75% tax being high is paranoia. Everyone contributes according to his abilities. If a person with 150.000 income/year pays 31% of his income as tax, it's justified that someone with tenfold that income will pay a little more. People like Depardieu refuse to contribute when at the same time millions are below the poverty threshold. But it's also his right to leave, the rich have always been fleeing in hard times. The rest of the people can judge for themselves.
    i know that many people does not like rich guys, because ehm ... they are richer than us, but a guy that gains 5M € a year is taking risks; He invested 100M € to that business, maybe 100 or more people is working for him which means that he pays both their salaries and their social securities. I have a few people working for me and i am getting crazy when it's near the end of the month and i don't have enough money to pay. I can not imagine myself paying for 100 people !

    Also such a business need more investment, therefore he'll need to invest a couple million Euro every year for his infrastructure, for R&D etc.

    You say that paying a little more is justified. Yes paying 40% for the rich guys is justified, even 50%. But 70% ? Come on ... Instead of paying it, they will immigrate to the nearest country, including their business. Then who'll lose? those workers will lose their job, the state will lose taxes, social security money etc.

    Edit; i checked your calculation. With 1.5 M € income, you'll pay 19% more tax, with 5M€, you'll pay 39% more taxes !

    Edit2: I checked my current taxes, if we have 75% taxes here, i decided to immigrate to Bulgaria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Please read my post in the previous page. All this talk about the 75% tax being high is paranoia. Everyone contributes according to his abilities. If a person with 150.000 income/year pays 31% of his income as tax, it's justified that someone with tenfold that income will pay a little more. People like Depardieu refuse to contribute when at the same time millions are below the poverty threshold. But it's also his right to leave, the rich have always been fleeing in hard times. The rest of the people can judge for themselves.
    There's limits though. Why should the state have the right to take 3/4 of a man's earnings? I support Depardieu entirely, and to expect anything else is to deny the reality of economics.

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