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    Couldn't have happened to a nice proposal. Good riddance.

    Nice that the thing got shot down early at least. Anyone surprised about the usual suspects of countries that wanted to curtail Internet freedoms?
    In a stunning repudiation of a United Nations summit, an alliance of Western democracies including the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada today rejected a proposed treaty over concerns it hands repressive governments too much authority over the Internet.

    "This conference was never meant to focus on Internet issues," said ambassador Terry Kramer, head of the U.S. delegation to the Dubai summit. "The Internet has given the world unimaginable economic and social benefit during these past 24 years -- all without U.N. regulation."

    Delegates from the Netherlands, New Zealand, Denmark, Sweden, the Philippines, Poland, and the Czech Republic also said they could not sign the proposed International Telecommunication Union treaty, which is scheduled to be finished by tomorrow. Kenya's delegate appeared to take the same position, saying "we reserve our rights" to "go back home and do more consultations" before signing, and India has signaled it agrees with the U.S. position. Japan's delegation said it needed to consult with Tokyo before proceeding.

    The implosion of the high-profile ITU summit came late in the evening in Dubai after deep divisions became apparent over the mere mention of "human rights obligations" in the treaty -- a proposal that China and Iran opposed -- and whether the U.N. was the proper organization to oversee key decisions about how the Internet should be managed. Currently groups including the Internet Engineering Task Force and the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, or ICANN, fulfill that role.

    "We all agreed that content was not intended to be part of the [treaty], but content issues keep coming up," the U.K.'s delegate said, adding that the ITU, a U.N. agency, is not the "proper place" to address Internet-related issues.

    Canada said it was forced to reject the proposed treaty because of its commitment to an Internet "in which people are free to participate, communicate, organize and exchange information."

    A united front from at least a dozen nations, especially the United States, has likely doomed the entire summit, which was convened to draft a new treaty, unless a competing alliance including China and Algeria are willing to offer a dramatic last-minute compromise. ITU secretary general Hamadoun Touré said in September that "no proposal is going to be passed if it does not have very wide support from all involved."

    It's no coincidence that the nations that have been the most vocal in opposition to the human rights language also enjoy some of the most checkered human rights records.

    China has been dubbed a "predator" of press freedom. It blocks thousands of Web sites and extensively monitors its citizens' Internet activities. Algeria has censored Web sites critical of the government, monitored Internet chat rooms, and indefinitely banned public demonstrations.

    The polite language of international diplomacy would prevent the alliance of western democracies from saying this directly, but a key concern is that putting topics related to Internet speech and surveillance to a majority vote of ITU's 192 member nations may not end well. Many delegates to the ITU summit have less-than-favorable views toward Internet freedom: two-thirds of the world's nations, according to Reporters Without Borders's ratings, suffer from significant "problems" with press freedom.

    U.N. and ITU meetings often result, of course, in more rhetoric than substance. During a U.N. conference in Tunisia in 2005, for instance, Iran and African governments proclaimed that the Internet permits too much free speech, with Cuba's delegate announcing that Fidel Castro believes it's time to create a new organization "which administers this network of networks."

    The difference this time is that the World Conference on International Telecommunications, or WCIT, which ends tomorrow, was designed to rewrite the International Telecommunications Regulations (PDF), a multilateral treaty that governs international communications traffic. The treaty was established in 1988, when home computers used dial-up modems, the Internet was primarily a university network, and Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg was a mere four years old.

    In a sharply partisan U.S. election year, skepticism about the U.N. process had emerged as a rare point of bipartisan accord: the House of Representatives unanimously approved a resolution last week aimed at sending a strong message to the ITU. It said, in part, that "the consistent and unequivocal policy of the United States [is] to promote a global Internet free from government control."

    Today's implosion counts as a victory for an alliance of civil liberties groups and Internet companies, which had spent the last few months warning of what could happen if the Dubai summit veered in the wrong direction.
    Google organized a campaign to draw attention to the summit, saying some governments "are trying to use a closed-door meeting in December to regulate the Internet." Advocacy groups Fight for the Future and AccessNow launched WhatIsTheITU.org to warn that the ITU poses "a risk to freedom of expression" online. And Tim Berners-Lee, the father of the World Wide Web, warned about an ITU power grab.

    Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a Democrat whose district includes the heart of Silicon Valley and who was a key figure in opposing legislation such as the Stop Online Piracy Act, or SOPA, released a statement this afternoon saying: "There are countries and groups who wish to exert greater control over the Internet in order to restrict or censor it for political or cultural reasons. We need to stand firm against those kinds of threats if we want the Internet to continue as a vibrant engine for innovation, human rights, cultural and economic growth."

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    Oh come on now. They are clearly trying to deal with their frustrations with Anonymous. Only if they impose harsh censoring of the internet will they be able to control groups like Anonymous.

    Go Anonymous! Bring justice to the censors!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scipio Africanus View Post
    Oh come on now. They are clearly trying to deal with their frustrations with Anonymous. Only if they impose harsh censoring of the internet will they be able to control groups like Anonymous.

    Go Anonymous! Bring justice to the censors!!
    Anonymous? When have they ever done something that made a real impact?

    Anyway, glad to see this has been rejected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Anonymous? When have they ever done something that made a real impact?

    Anyway, glad to see this has been rejected.
    Actually I would say that the multiple hacking attacks and defacing websites carried out by people calling themselves Anonymous did the world a favour by forcing companies to realise web security is a serious issue. Better that a bunch of kids having a laugh making high profile attacks rather than criminals out to steal personal data.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobz View Post
    Actually I would say that the multiple hacking attacks and defacing websites carried out by people calling themselves Anonymous did the world a favour by forcing companies to realise web security is a serious issue. Better that a bunch of kids having a laugh making high profile attacks rather than criminals out to steal personal data.

    Not only thta but by showing the power of botnets and DDoS attacks, it showed how vulnerable things are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Anonymous? When have they ever done something that made a real impact?

    Anyway, glad to see this has been rejected.
    The damage people like constitute Anonymous can do is immense if the right people put forth the right effort... There is a reason the FBI, and other organizations around the world employ hackers of their own to combat this untouchable foe, which is growing quickly in number. Internet "security" is a joke.

    It's only a matter of time before more serious attacks come (even though there have been serious attacks, which possibly served as "warnings" for future ones)

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    Good to see the Anglo-alliance showing up united in force.

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    an alliance of Western democracies including the United States, the United Kingdom, and Canada today rejected a proposed treaty over concerns it hands repressive governments too much authority over the Internet.
    am i the only one who sees the irony in this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post
    am i the only one who sees the irony in this?
    I'm assuming because of silly stuff like anti-piracy regulations and junk like that. I don't think they really care about that in terms of the big picture when say you compare it to just outright censorship of what is seen on the internet or what can be accessed, like in China or even more glorious places like Turkmenistan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    I'm assuming because of silly stuff like anti-piracy regulations and junk like that. I don't think they really care about that in terms of the big picture when say you compare it to just outright censorship of what is seen on the internet or what can be accessed, like in China or even more glorious places like Turkmenistan.
    silly stuff like anti-piracy regulations and the such do threaten the free flow of ideas-something the obama admin. pledged to support-yet now actively impedes and even works against.

    Of course China is going to have censorship-that is the nature of the government in Chinese society; ditto for japanese and singaporean society. But wtf is a liberal democratic country like Australia and the US doing with internet censorship masquerading as regulations/DCMA/anti piracy etc?

    i accept that the USG and Canberra practice censorship, but i won't accept their BS denials that they're doing it 'for our own good' or that they're any better than the totalitarian societies they wish to denigrate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exarch View Post

    i accept that the USG and Canberra practice censorship, but i won't accept their BS denials that they're doing it 'for our own good' or that they're any better than the totalitarian societies they wish to denigrate.
    I wouldn't really consider it totalitarianism. I think it's just a matter of people with money greasing the wheels of people in power so they don't see profits shrink. I'm not a fan of it, but it's a hell of a lot different than what we see in the aforementioned spots.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    I'm assuming because of silly stuff like anti-piracy regulations and junk like that. I don't think they really care about that in terms of the big picture when say you compare it to just outright censorship of what is seen on the internet or what can be accessed, like in China or even more glorious places like Turkmenistan.

    In my case more with the US decisions that it's jurisdiction is 'the internet' and doing things (like file sharing) that are legal in the country you are physically in is no defence, you will be bought to America for trial.

    In this particular case however: Go European culture, and the nations it founded!

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Probably because the Japanese will go off the deep end if it's not censored. Tentacle porn, girls underwear in vending machines, public gang rape fantasy porn anyone?
    ewww, actually illegal, and ewww.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justicar5 View Post
    In my case more with the US decisions that it's jurisdiction is 'the internet' and doing things (like file sharing) that are legal in the country you are physically in is no defence, you will be bought to America for trial.

    In this particular case however: Go European culture, and the nations it founded!
    Yeah I mean I agree. It's irritating and absurd, but it doesn't surprise me that gov'ments try to regulate. Especially when it's over piracy because money-men get all butt hurt over it.

    ewww, actually illegal, and ewww.
    Hey have an open mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Yeah I mean I agree. It's irritating and absurd, but it doesn't surprise me that gov'ments try to regulate. Especially when it's over piracy because money-men get all butt hurt over it.



    Hey have an open mind.

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    Japan censors porn.

    Something I'll never understand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Japan censors porn.

    Something I'll never understand.
    You beat me to it.

    But overall great news that this Treaty got knocked down by the US and Co.
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    Probably because the Japanese will go off the deep end if it's not censored. Tentacle porn, girls underwear in vending machines, public gang rape fantasy porn anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Jin View Post
    Probably because the Japanese will go off the deep end if it's not censored. Tentacle porn, girls underwear in vending machines, public gang rape fantasy porn anyone?
    Totally off topic but compared to what? Not getting into the difference between drawn acts and things that actually occured on camera in real life, it isn't as if western pornography is more enlightened it also features public gang rape fantasy porn quite a bit as well as all sorts of other acts that I probably can't describe on this forum which have been proven to cause permanent harm to the women involved (most of whom are not actually paid all that well).

    I like that the Japanese are considered ultra-perverts when anyone with five minutes on their hands can find much more disturbing pornographic scenes coming from let's say Germany or the United States.

    Japan's modern censorship of genitals in pornography dates back to the American occupation, and hasn't been repealed because despite there being vending machines that sell used panties (as if you can't find used panties for sale in the US) Japanese government officials are hesitant to expand the rights of pornographers since it is still socially deviant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tarvu View Post
    Totally off topic but compared to what? Not getting into the difference between drawn acts and things that actually occured on camera in real life, it isn't as if western pornography is more enlightened it also features public gang rape fantasy porn quite a bit as well as all sorts of other acts that I probably can't describe on this forum which have been proven to cause permanent harm to the women involved (most of whom are not actually paid all that well).

    I like that the Japanese are considered ultra-perverts when anyone with five minutes on their hands can find much more disturbing pornographic scenes coming from let's say Germany or the United States.

    Japan's modern censorship of genitals in pornography dates back to the American occupation, and hasn't been repealed because despite there being vending machines that sell used panties (as if you can't find used panties for sale in the US) Japanese government officials are hesitant to expand the rights of pornographers since it is still socially deviant.
    Lol I'm only joking around man.

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