UK census 2011 - How long until Eurabia

[removeduser_487563287433]

A second set of data has just been released from the 2011 census. We can finally wield some proper statistics for the state of the English and Welsh population.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20677321

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-meth...011/index.html

Religion

The British population continues to abandon bronze age mythologies. Four million fewer people described themselves as Christian than in 2001, although they remain the single largest religious group, at 59% of all people declaring a religious affiliation. 25% of the population declared themselves to have no religion.

And then, the statistic you're all waiting for, the third most popular category, Muslim. There are now 2.7 million Muslims within the United Kingdom, increasing their proportion of the UK population from 3% to 4.8% over the past 10 years.

Immigration

More than half of foreign-born UK residents in England and Wales arrived over the past ten years, with foreign born residents now 13% of the population - up from 9% 10 years ago.

The origin of these people has changed. The Irish have left, and are now the 4th biggest group, down from the first. There are over 200,000 more Indians, and now claim the stop spot. Unsurprisingly the Polish have come from nowhere to become the second biggest group, with 579k people. Pakistan is up 1.8k people.

There are 1.2 million more UK born people in England and Wales than ten years ago.

Ethnicity

86% of the English/Welsh population is white, down from 91%.

45% of London is White British, out of 8.2 million people.

Interesting 12% of households now have more than one ethnicity represented.

[Odenat]

Just 4,8% muslims. That's not enough. Some areas at Belgium have 25% Muslims.

Seems like the old continent will fall way before than the British isles.

[Menelik_I]

Just 4,8% muslims. That's not enough. Some areas at Belgium have 25% Muslims.

Seems like the old continent will fall way before than the British isles.

I would be interested to see how many percent of the electorate you need to swing the vote in the UK. Think all the Goodness of Eurabia, but with a lower Arab population and all with British face. Best of both worlds : Halal food, Anti-Israel Foreign policy, tolerance to Polygamy, etc

Sure George Galloway manage to get elected in a Anti-semitic platform with respect, but Eurabia would come sooner if a major party would start serious Muslim pandering to assure election. Assuming the Muslim vote pass the swing threshold in crucial seats. But with Labor losing Scottish Seats I am not sure how it would work.

In a totally non Eurabia point :Immigrant population accounted for 55% of the population growth, so UKIP point that past levels of immigration are putting a burden on the public purse and unemployment is valid.

The census calculated that the resident population in England and Wales on 27 March 2011 was 56.1 million, with 53 million people in England and 3.1 million in Wales.

This represented a rise - from 52.4 million in 2001 - of 3.7 million, of which 2.1 million (55%) were immigrants.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20677321

[removeduser_487563287433]

Quick. Let us dig a bunker.

[Vanoi]

Only 2.7 million Muslims? After seeing some of the threads on TWC i would think there were like 20 million of them. I guess the numbers were greatly exaggerated.

[Bobz]

Only 2.7 million Muslims? After seeing some of the threads on TWC i would think there were like 20 million of them. I guess the numbers were greatly exaggerated.

They're sneaky you see, there are in fact millions of dirty illegal immigrant muslims hiding away in the country. Or something like that, I'm sure my impression of a Daily Fail reader isn't far off...

[Captain Jin]

Only 2.7 million Muslims? After seeing some of the threads on TWC i would think there were like 20 million of them. I guess the numbers were greatly exaggerated.

It's not the numbers, it's the way they present themselves. A very loud minority of them, at least in London, causes concern. At least to me. Driving down some streets there was like driving down a street in Iraq. Furthermore every day I went out I saw multiple women fully clad in burqas, yet living in Turkmenistan a country that is 89% Muslim I never once saw it. It's the lack of integration that is a concern to me.

Anyway I just watched Religulous last night and it was actually not too bad. Kind of funny, but Maher brought up a good point about how (in the US) there are something like only 17-19% of not claiming a religion and that he stated that's clearly the largest minority group in the United States that does not have some sort of lobbyist group vying for what it wants. I found that interesting. Not a fan of religion myself.

[Dragus]

It's not the numbers, it's the way they present themselves. A very loud minority of them, at least in London, causes concern. At least to me. Driving down some streets there was like driving down a street in Iraq. Furthermore every day I went out I saw multiple women fully clad in burqas, yet living in Turkmenistan a country that is 89% Muslim I never once saw it. It's the lack of integration that is a concern to me.

Anyway I just watched Religulous last night and it was actually not too bad. Kind of funny, but Maher brought up a good point about how (in the US) there are something like only 17-19% of not claiming a religion and that he stated that's clearly the largest minority group in the United States that does not have some sort of lobbyist group vying for what it wants. I found that interesting. Not a fan of religion myself.

Same here. The increase in "Not religious" makes for a fine new political environment. And furthermore, an influx of non-christian religion (in this case Islam, perhaps) can potentially force even the hardliners to go along with secular policies, if not to simply avoid an Islamic superiority of strength in government. Society moves forward and religions' (all of them, not just Christianity) place in government is further weakened.

It's truly a win-win in my opinion. Diversity forces the conservative (United States version of the term) to abandon their power base and adds new obstacles to those with greedy or divisive philosophies.

[Poach]

Not only are they illegal and hiding, they're producing 15 times more babies per woman than White British. Our days are numbered.

[Accius]

And then, the statistic you're all waiting for, the third most popular category, Muslim. There are now 2.7 million Muslims within the United Kingdom, increasing their proportion of the UK population from 3% to 4.8% over the past 10 years.

Err... if you weren't so constantly and deliberately misleading people on the topic I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that you had misread the article. But seeing as this isn't the case...

The census does NOT shows the Muslim population has gone from 3% to 4.8%. What is shows is that the Muslim population has increased by 3% from 1.8% to 4.8%. In 10 years.

Meanwhile, as you (correctly, for once) pointed out, 86% of the English/Welsh population is white, down from 91%. There are only approximately 100,00 white Muslims (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12075931).

To summarise, in merely a 10 year period, the native UK population has proportionately decreased by 5% (and numerically by 400,00), while the Muslim population has increased by 3%. That represents astonishingly explosive and exponential growth.

So as far as "statistically misleading" people by denying this is a problem (unless you welcome sharia law in the UK), and looking at facts rather than projections, which is what seems to be the most popular way of forming opinions on this forum by demographic time-bomb deniers, it would seem that you are, quite blatantly, the primary culprit in terms of misleading people and skewing data to fit your delusional theory.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can argue back and forth about "predictions" that various agencies, think tanks, governments, the UN make, all of them contradictory about what lies ahead in the future, what trends will slow down, what trends will speed up, regardless of whether they support or counteract your arguments. But basing conclusions and knee-jerk opinions on this is a fallacy, because at the end of the day they are trying to predict the future. They are "guesstimating". There is a miserable rate of accuracy in humanity's predictions of future trends, demographics, wars, you name it.

However, all it takes is a quick glance at existing demographics across Europe and comparing them to earlier data, to conclude that there is a serious immigration and birth growth by a population of people who do not share our Western values - in fact, who would rather replace them with their primitive ones - and have absolutely no interest in intergrating.

That, to me, is frightening.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Err... if you weren't so constantly and deliberately misleading people on the topic I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that you had misread the article. But seeing as this isn't the case...

The census does NOT shows the Muslim population has gone from 3% to 4.8%. What is shows is that the Muslim population has increased by 3% from 1.8% to 4.8%. In 10 years.

Lies, what I wrote was accurate. The Muslim population has increased from 3% to 4.8%.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-20677321

"Muslim, with numbers rising from 1.5 million (3%) to 2.7 million (4.8%)"

Maybe double check before you accuse me of misleading people?

To summarise, in merely a 10 year period, the native UK population has proportionately decreased by 5% (and numerically by 400,00),

And here you are potentially misleading people with the term "native UK population". Please be specific, do you mean White British, or those born in the UK.

The rest of your post is just scaremongering without statistical evidence.

I look forward to you acknowledging my description of the figures concerning the Muslim population were accurate, and you were mistaken.

[mongrel]

Err... if you weren't so constantly and deliberately misleading people on the topic I'd give you the benefit of the doubt that you had misread the article. But seeing as this isn't the case...

The census does NOT shows the Muslim population has gone from 3% to 4.8%. What is shows is that the Muslim population has increased by 3% from 1.8% to 4.8%. In 10 years.

Meanwhile, as you (correctly, for once) pointed out, 86% of the English/Welsh population is white, down from 91%. There are only approximately 100,00 white Muslims (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-12075931).

To summarise, in merely a 10 year period, the native UK population has proportionately decreased by 5% (and numerically by 400,00), while the Muslim population has increased by 3%. That represents astonishingly explosive and exponential growth.

So as far as "statistically misleading" people by denying this is a problem (unless you welcome sharia law in the UK), and looking at facts rather than projections, which is what seems to be the most popular way of forming opinions on this forum by demographic time-bomb deniers, it would seem that you are, quite blatantly, the primary culprit in terms of misleading people and skewing data to fit your delusional theory.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. You can argue back and forth about "predictions" that various agencies, think tanks, governments, the UN make, all of them contradictory about what lies ahead in the future, what trends will slow down, what trends will speed up, regardless of whether they support or counteract your arguments. But basing conclusions and knee-jerk opinions on this is a fallacy, because at the end of the day they are trying to predict the future. They are "guesstimating". There is a miserable rate of accuracy in humanity's predictions of future trends, demographics, wars, you name it.

However, all it takes is a quick glance at existing demographics across Europe and comparing them to earlier data, to conclude that there is a serious immigration and birth growth by a population of people who do not share our Western values - in fact, who would rather replace them with their primitive ones - and have absolutely no interest in intergrating.

That, to me, is frightening.

3 percent of buggerall is still buggerall. Atheism has the biggest impact on the status quo, but you have nothing to say about that. No do you comment on the rapid increase in East European migrants. Perhaps you think that there are not enough brown atheists or Poles. The census have proved what sensible people have already known, Eurabia is not happening.

Wouldn't be surprised. We blonde haired blue eyed people are expected to dissapear within the next 200 years. Earth's loss..

Who is expecting this bollocks? White people of all kinds are abundant in this country.

London certainly will have no blonde haired blue eyed people in 200 years.
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Not so, we may call them Cockney Russians.

Tommy Robinson and BNP are always saying London is becoming less English and they have been proven right by the OP.A bloody disgrace I say chaps

And London is a fascist free zone. Watching the EDL get forcibly ejected from Walthamstow was entertaining I must say. They really did not have a clue as to why they were there.

86% of the population is 'English'. Sorry, I thought this was England, why is that figure not above 95%? These are the OFFICIAL figures. When will we see an accurate report displaying the swathes of illegals who inhabit this nation too?

This is Britain, why aren't there more proper Britons, of Celtic heritage?

You only need to walk the streets of London to realise this nation is FAR from 86% white.....

You only have to walk the streets of Westcliffe-on-Sea to note that there are far too many pensioners, no doubt sponging off the state with free bus passes, TV licenses etc.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...tats-show.html

THE number of foreign-born nationals living in Britain has soared by more than 50 per cent, shock Census figures have revealed.
Immigrants now make up more than SEVEN MILLION of the total UK population - the equivalent to more than one in 10 people.
Foreign-born nationals living in the UK has risen by more than 3million people in the last 10 years.
And astonishingly figures show for the first time those describing themselves as "White British" are in the MINORITY in London.
The population of England and Wales has risen by 7 per cent since 2001 and now stands at 56.1million - with migration numbers responsible for more than half of the increase.
Figures now show the number of foreign-born nationals has risen from 4.6million to 7.5million - making up 13 per cent of the population.
People born in India, Poland and Pakistan make up the highest proportion of non-UK born residents.
And in 4 per cent of households no-one speaks English as their main language.
In London, figures show just 45 per cent of people describe themselves as "White British" - down from 60 per cent in 2001.
Guy Goodwin, the Office of National Statistics director of census, said: “These statistics paint a picture of society and help us all plan for the future using accurate information at a local level.
“This is just the tip of the iceberg of census statistics.
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This is terrible news

[Stavroforos]

How has there been a drop in bronze age mythologies when the number of Muslims has gone up?

[Menelik_I]

How has there been a drop in bronze age mythologies when the number of Muslims has gone up?

Not only has the number number of but also the virulence is decreasing, with most Christians being squishy, while the Muslims are firm in their convictions or at least express them more forcefully.

An interesting contradiction there, but since people are "diverse" then the somehow more atheist country will accommodate the Muslim population.

[motiv-8]

How has there been a drop in bronze age mythologies when the number of Muslims has gone up?

Because Islam was not founded in the Bronze Age?

[Stavroforos]

Because Islam was not founded in the Bronze Age?

Right, because on the other hand, Christianity was founded in the Bronze Age.

[Prosaic Visitant]

Perhaps I missed it, but does anyone have facts on the rate of conversions of Muslims to atheism/agnosticism? I find it hard to believe that a religion in a first world country don't lose subscribers.

And what happened to the name Muhammed/Mohammed? A pathetic 19 and 22 on the list of most popular boys names. I am disappoint.

How has there been a drop in bronze age mythologies when the number of Muslims has gone up?

Islam was invented in the 'dark ages'.

[Lord Thesaurian]

How has there been a drop in bronze age mythologies when the number of Muslims has gone up?

Because Islam belongs in the Stone Age.

Anyway, it will be interesting to see how this trend develops over the next couple decades.

Here is a popular observation on the rise of Islamic populations I often see floating around the web:

Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 

What happens to society's as the Muslim population grows in percentage of the total?

In the book, Slavery, Terrorism and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat, written by Dr. Peter Hammond, he explores the topic of the impact that an increasing Muslim population has on that society. The lists below illustrate the Muslim population status of countries around the world, and exactly what changes to the societies can be expected according to Hammond.

The book as well as the author are controversial, but the topic is definitely something that needs to be explored and understood. From the book:

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%

Australia -- Muslim 1.5%

Canada -- Muslim 1.9%

China -- Muslim 1.8%

Italy -- Muslim 1.5%

Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs.

This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%

Germany -- Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%

Spain -- Muslim 4%

Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for

Muslims. They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves -- along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%

Philippines -- 5%

Sweden -- Muslim 5%

Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings. Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%

India -- Muslim 13.4%

Israel -- Muslim 16%

Kenya -- Muslim 10%

Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%

Chad -- Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and ***ya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%

Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%

Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%

Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%

Egypt -- Muslim 90%

Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%

Iran -- Muslim 98%

Iraq -- Muslim 97%

Jordan -- Muslim 92%

Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan -- Muslim 97%

Palestine -- Muslim 99%

Syria -- Muslim 90%

Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%

Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%

Somalia -- Muslim 100%

Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

Of course, it seems these "statistics" are biased, to say the least, and make quite a few generalizations; like claiming Turkey is some kind of chaotic jihad-ridden wasteland. While the details are fairly conspiratorial, is there any truth to the trend; ie that minority Islamic populations have a negative effect on the peace and social stability of host countries?

[Poach]

I believe the total overall % of people reporting "no religion" has increased, therefore the total overall % of people believing in whatever variation of old hill tribe myths they like most has decreased.