Carthaginian warriors

[KLAssurbanipal]

Now Sacred Band looks like they should - hellenistic style.

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In Rome1, the Carthaginians had only Iberian helmets an amours (and Corinthian helmet for the Sacred Band). It wasn't correctly.

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In fact, the Carthaginians didn't wear the Iberian weapons. Only Iberian mercenaries from Spain wore armours and helmets (which we seen in Rome1).

Carthaginians wore helmets: Thracian, Attic, Phrygian, Pylos etc.

Please, add beards and mustaches for Carthaginians, too.


Carthaginian warrior in 3D!
http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/...e-model/611129
This model will be very helpful for Rome 2. You can rotate it 360 degrees.



Some examples of real Carthaginian warriors:
(Plates 1-4: Sacred Band, Phoenician and Liby-Phoenician infantry; Plate 5: Romanized Carthaginian infantry)

1. Plate: by Seán Ó’Brógáin ; http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor..._9781849087810

Plate in book is number: G
(Carthaginian infantry and Balearic slingers fights Romans)

Helmets' variety:

1 - coloured (red) Thracian with crest
2 - coloured (black) Thracian
3 - Phrygian with carved beard
4 - Attic/Chalcidian with crest
5 - Thracian (no. 3)
6 - Attic/Chalcidian (no. 2)
7 - Thracian (no. 4)
8 - Thracian (no. 5) with plumes
9 - Phrygian (no. 2) with crest

2. Plate: by Steve Noon ; http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor..._9781846039584

Plate in book is number: E
(variety of infantry)

3. Plate: by Steve Noon ; http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor..._9781846039584

Plate in book is number: A
(infantryman with Phrygian helmet)

4. Plate: by Richard Hook ; http://www.ospreypublishing.com/stor..._9780850454307

Plate in book is number: E
(Liby-Phoenician infantry and Sacred Band)

The same by Angel Garcia Pinto. http://angelgpinto.blogspot.com/

5. Plate: by Johnny Shumate ; http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos...o/default.aspx

Picture the second from the end: http://community.imaginefx.com/fxpos...t.aspx?ppage=4
(Romanized Carthaginian infantry)

[Ticklestick]

I'm sure there will be historically equipped carthaginian soldiers (sacred band etc), just keep in mind a giant majority of their armies were iberian and gallic mercenaries, not liby-phoenicians.

[KLAssurbanipal]

Jack Lusted said me that Carthaginian army will be historical. I think he's right.

[Ngazi]

Do we really know what the Carthaginians used?

[willyum32]

Do we really know what the Carthaginians used?

This. Carthage was erased

[SteamPunk]

I honestly think some gamers wont be happy until every unit in a total war game look like they do in an osprey book.

Remember folks...if it isnt osprey its not historically accurate.

[Destraex]

I honestly think some gamers wont be happy until every unit in a total war game look like they do in an osprey book.

Remember folks...if it isnt osprey its not historically accurate.

The idea is to keep improving until we have the best we possibly can.
Not to regress into fantasy because it is easier steampunk.

This game made its name from history and is one of the best of its kind if not the best.

I suggest perhaps some here who hate the "historical accuracy crowd" for there contribution start posting on the soon to be if not already warhammer fantasy total war pages. This imho is where it really does not matter because it was never true and cannot be researched.

[Pyrrhus the Molossian]

Osprey is sometimes awfully inaccurate.

[Pyrrhus the Molossian]

Yes we do indeed know what they used. From ancient authors and archaeology. Not everything but alot.

[yuezhi]

the previews of carthaginians look accurate enough.

[Point_Man]

In Rome1, the Carthaginians had only Iberian helmets an amours (and Corinthian helmet for the Sacred Band). It wasn't correctly.

[Hrobatos]

yup, pictures shown there do show them fighting in hoplite style, and hoplite equipment, Sacred Band is shown from very close and others units in parade, and as far as I can tell they look great and accurate too

[Engie]

The new Carthaginian soldiers look great, can't wait to play as them. I hope every other faction gets this sort of attention.

[Petroniu]

I hope every other faction gets this sort of attention.

One of the CA guys said that they will detail the playable factions while the rest will be pretty much generic. Their work ideology is to give to the player a few important, influential and very well detailed factions to play with while the rest will be addressed enough to have a substantial impact on the balancing of the gameplay. Hopefully they will look into the unplayable of the factions with some patches after the game is released.

[Asgaroth]

The new Carthaginian soldiers look great, can't wait to play as them. I hope every other faction gets this sort of attention.

I agree.

I hope they get the same attention as this beautiful sacred band.

[Ticklestick]

I agree.

I hope they get the same attention as this beautiful sacred band.

Of course ,the sacred band was gone for good by this time period. Shhhh don't tell the history buffs.

[Doe3000]

The Carthaginians do look impressive, and they are Hellenistic in appearance too. On another note, that young Roman senator in the trailer screenshot looks like a cross between Dan Snow and HBO Rome's Octavian from season 2.

[snarst]

Of course ,the sacred band was gone for good by this time period. Shhhh don't tell the history buffs.

After 310 BC, the Sacred Band disappears from historical record. When Carthaginian citizen infantry turn up in the historical sources during later wars, their numbers are significantly higher implying a levy of all available citizens due to crisis. So this means that they were not fazed out, just not being used since they needed as many troops as possible. And since Sacred Bands would take time to make, it would be wise to spend resources where you can get more troops.

So players should still be able to create them.

[wumpus]

After 310 BC, the Sacred Band disappears from historical record. When Carthaginian citizen infantry turn up in the historical sources during later wars, their numbers are significantly higher implying a levy of all available citizens due to crisis. So this means that they were not fazed out, just not being used since they needed as many troops as possible. And since Sacred Bands would take time to make, it would be wise to spend resources where you can get more troops.

So players should still be able to create them.

Well, let's just hope the makers of RTW-II would take notice of this thread, keep it in mind when they do theirjob, and if we're lucky they'd implement it. Usually,game makers would opt for what sells fast and what sells most--not to spend too much time & money on accurate research. Otherwise, we'd resort to such modders as the EB team, KLA, and other good people for our historicity & authenticity. Hawooh.

[Dan113112]

Of course ,the sacred band was gone for good by this time period. Shhhh don't tell the history buffs.

CA said that units that may have been gone at this time or were few and far between would be added to add some flavour to the game. As long as it doesn't go overboard like bronze age Egypt I'm okay with that.