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    Default Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Whenever I play a campaign, either the grand campaign or any of the Kingdoms campaigns, over time my faction's reputation gets worse and worse. And this is rather odd as I always keep alliances (except when I'm forced to choose one ally over another due to that they go to war against each other), I try to play honest, I almost never try to assassinate the characters of allies. So why does my reputation get worse as the campaign goes on?

    Sure, I have a tendency to exterminate big enemy cities (out of pragmatism as else they will get unruly) and I never ever release prisoners (either ransom them or execute them straight away). It's hard to be nice in war. But that's against factions I'm already at war with (or rebels). It shouldn't affect my reputation as a partner to other factions that I have no hostilities with.
    "A skeptic is one who prefers beliefs and conclusions that are reliable and valid to ones that are comforting or convenient, and therefore rigorously and openly applies the methods of science and reason to all empirical claims, especially their own. A skeptic provisionally proportions acceptance of any claim to valid logic and a fair and thorough assessment of available evidence, and studies the pitfalls of human reason and the mechanisms of deception so as to avoid being deceived by others or themselves. Skepticism values method over any particular conclusion." - Dr Steven Novella

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    marcus_agrippa's Avatar Semisalis
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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Still both executing prisoners and exterminationg cities does damage your reputation.
    In the chaos of battle, when the ground beneath your feet is a slurry of blood, puke, piss and the entrails of friends and enemies alike, it's easy to turn to the gods for salvation. But it's soldiers who do the fighting, and soldiers who do the dying, and the gods never get their feet wet.

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Exterminating cities reduces reputation by a lot. Executing prisoners reduce reputation a little. See http://www.twcenter.net/wiki/Reputation-M2TW

    Also, if you're playing on H or VH, reputation goes down automatically each turn.

    It shouldn't affect my reputation as a partner to other factions that I have no hostilities with.
    That's relations, not reputation. Relations is faction-specific. Reputation is global.

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    Consulo's Avatar Laurifer Invictus
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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Yep everyone has already said it. It is because you're executing prisoners and destroying cities. Ransoming is generally the neutral approach, as is sacking. So be aware of what repercussions your actions may bring.


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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Difficulty does not affect reputation.

    Edit: Occupying a settlement also does not increase reputation. There are a few things wrong on that wiki page.

    Here's some evidence for both of those:
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger 0092_Update_Easy_Difficulty
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart

    Condition CampaignDifficulty = easy

    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise 1.0 50

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger 0093_Update_Normal_Difficulty
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart

    Condition CampaignDifficulty = medium

    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise 0.0 50

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger 0094_Update_Hard_Difficulty
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart

    Condition CampaignDifficulty = hard

    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise -0.5 50

    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger 0095_Update_Very_Hard_Difficulty
    WhenToTest FactionTurnStart

    Condition CampaignDifficulty = very_hard

    FactionStanding exclude_factions { } normalise -1.0 40

    Difficulty affects relations with every faction. Reputation is different. Also, whether that value goes up or down every turn is not just dependent on difficulty level, but is also dependent on current relations. Difficulty just sets what it gets normalized to. For example, the value could go up every turn on Hard difficulty if current relations were low enough. Or it could go down every turn on Medium difficulty if current relations were high enough.
    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    ;------------------------------------------
    Trigger 0103_occupy_settlement_increase_global
    WhenToTest OccupySettlement

    FactionStanding global 0.05
    FactionStanding target_faction normalise 1.0 20
    FactionStanding target_allies normalise 1.0 40
    ; FactionStanding target_enemies normalise -1.0 40

    ;------------------------------------------
    ;Trigger 0102_city_razed_decrease_global
    ; WhenToTest CitySacked

    FactionStanding global -0.05
    FactionStanding target_faction normalise -1.0 10
    FactionStanding target_allies normalise -1.0 20
    ; FactionStanding target_enemies normalise 1.0 20

    ; make all other factions hate the rebels

    Occupying a settlement does not affect your reputation.
    Last edited by PapaRosario; December 08, 2012 at 12:28 PM.

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    It's easier to have a bad reputation than a good one. Maintaining alliances seems to do nothing for getting good reputation. If you want to be good, the best way is to get into some battles, capture a lot of soldiers and release them, and to simply occupy, and not sack or exterminate cities. Also, when doing diplomacy, leaving the balance in generous seems to help

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Yeah, releasing soldiers is the best way to increase rep. Make sure you capture at least 80 to release for the best effect.

    As for generous offers increasing rep, that doesn't happen. If you want to see a full list of things that increase rep, go to descr_faction_standing and Ctrl+F for "global". Anything with a positive global value increases rep, and anything with a negative global value decreases rep.

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Thanks for the replies, now it makes sense, at least for the "in-game logic". But as I said, alas it is hard to be nice in war. Releasing prisoners strikes me as dumb. He who gets away lives to fight another day.
    "A skeptic is one who prefers beliefs and conclusions that are reliable and valid to ones that are comforting or convenient, and therefore rigorously and openly applies the methods of science and reason to all empirical claims, especially their own. A skeptic provisionally proportions acceptance of any claim to valid logic and a fair and thorough assessment of available evidence, and studies the pitfalls of human reason and the mechanisms of deception so as to avoid being deceived by others or themselves. Skepticism values method over any particular conclusion." - Dr Steven Novella

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Well releasing soldiers seems dumb (and maybe it makes the game last longer) but what it means is you get to beat them again and get more stars, chivalry, and attributes for your generals more quickly than you would otherwise

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Also, releasing isn't always necessary. Ransoming is the middle ground option, and doesn't affect your reputation.

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    Default Re: Why does my faction's reputation always get lower and lower?

    Still both executing prisoners and exterminationg cities does damage your reputation.

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