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    Default Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Given the amount attention to Israeli-Palestinian Drama, it is interesting there is no thread about Israeli Early Election to be held in January. Which certainly will shape Israeli policy for the few coming years.

    Here is a short Synopsis:

    Israel's party primaries last weekend spelled out what most Israelis already knew: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will keep his job, and his new Likud Beiteinu right-wing alliance will dominate the next Knesset.

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    The candidate lists, released in the past few days, reveal a mix of Knesset veterans and fresh faces, with Netanyahu securely at the head of Likud and Shelley Yachimovich retaining firm leadership of the left-wing Labor. The Likud list also reflects the hard right turn the party has taken, with several prominent moderates falling out of the top 10, Times of Israel reported.

    Under the Israeli system, parties rank their slates in order of preference and win as many Knesset seats as their share of the national popular votes grants them. So candidates placed farther down have less chance of being elected. There are no districts.

    The primaries also revealed that the centrist Kadima party of former Prime Ministers Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert, once the largest in the Knesset, has fragmented beyond recognition. Members have defected en masse, either to the right to Likud or to Labor or the new Hatnua (The Movement), lead by former Kadima leader Tzipi Livni. Meanwhile, former Defense Minister and Labor party leader Amir Peretz announced Thursday he would be bolting Labor for Hatnua, the Jerusalem Post

    http://www.ibtimes.com/israels-elect...actures-926061
    It seems that a New Form of Right-Wight Entity arose as the Likud Beyteny headed by The Bibierman ( Benjamin Nethanyahu "Bibi" + Avigdor Liberman) would gain 32 seats and leading wave set that would control 72 seats out of the 120 going to National Camp/Religious Bloc.

    Your analysis, how does it plays out ? Regional Politics ? Peace process ? Iran ? Humus supply ?

    Apparently there are 34 parties competing for 120 seats in the Knesset with more defection, meltdowns and coalitions than a Michael Bae movies has Megan Foxx shots. The Party of Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert had such a massive meltdown they don't even qualify for one MK after Sore Loser Livni founded another party because She lost the Party Leadership vote, among other things. So there is a lot to discuss.




    My knowledge of Israeli politics is near zero, so no opinion from me, especially since commenting on the American Election thread make me feel like an idiot. Unless Latma TV becomes a respectable source .

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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    All Jews are the same, so it doesn't matter which one gets elected.

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    Man I hate Lieberman.
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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Man I hate Lieberman.
    Who doesn't?

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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Man I hate Lieberman.
    Him fussed with Bibi is like a Sarin-Cyanide Combo for many people.
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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    in the Israeli interpolitics:
    The union will help against the relligious party who just love to blackmail the coalliton for rights such as not serving in the army for Haredi Jews and give them money for studying Torah all ing day.
    I hope it will help against the sociallists wishing to return this country to the 50's.
    And it will help to neutralize and destabilize the left which is already broken and powerless.

    In foreign matters:
    I hope they wont piss Obama to much by doing stupid things.
    I hope theyl straighten up things with Turkey.
    I hopw theyl finally have the balls to attack Iran.
    And I belive this will actually bring peace closer, as Abu Mazen understands the Israeli population anly gets more nationalistic and right winged every year and maby he will realize its better for him to make peace now then in 20 years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    And I belive this will actually bring peace closer, as Abu Mazen understands the Israeli population anly gets more nationalistic and right winged every year and maby he will realize its better for him to make peace now then in 20 years.
    The population also gets older and smaller every year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prosaic Visitant View Post
    The population also gets older and smaller every year.
    and where did you hear that lie? there is a positive population growth


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    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    and where did you hear that lie? there is a positive population growth
    The Jewish section of Israel is gradually shrinking and the percentage of people over 65 is rising. Yes, the country is growing but only through the higher birth rates of Muslim natives and the sections of the Jewish population such as the Haredi. The same guys who are exempt from mandatory military service. In a generation or three, Israel will be in an interesting position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
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    I hope theyl straighten up things with Turkey.
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    Can Israel be friends with a country that actively promotes Palestinian Independence and criticizes your actions regarding those people?
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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Man, I honestly thought this was about the real Beebs doing something political in Jewland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I WUB PUGS View Post
    Man, I honestly thought this was about the real Beebs doing something political in Jewland.
    I thought it was about his Jewish cousin.

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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Sounds like there's going to be some more saber rattling and settlement expansion to shore up the hawkish-right-wing vote.

    I hope that Bibi doesn't actually have the balls to attack Iran. Because that will draw in Russia, China, EU, and the USA and all their proxy allies.

    I'd be content to keep these superpower conflicts as proxy wars instead of head on wars.

    Besides ... what was so wrong Israel in the 50's?

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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    It seems that, like in America, Israelis have a choice between a selection of right-wing parties due to a culture of fear bred into them by birth. The Labor Party, which came the closest to finding peace under Rabin, has been decimated by religious fundamentalism and the election of Hamas which apparently has to be countered with right-wing oppression...

    While Netanyahu is still considered a moderate on the international stage, I doubt most people will tolerate his extremist friends like Biebermann. Who knows, if the Democrats stay in power in the US and the lobbyist cash dries up as Jews realise what their country is turning into, the international community might stop giving Israel the blank check.
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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Wait. Justin Bieber is running for the Prime Ministership of Israel?
    Young lady, I am an expert on humans. Now pick a mouth, open it and say "brglgrglgrrr"!

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    ^^
    yup and all those screams coming from the ghetto's are his adoring fans.

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    Default Re: Israeli Early elections Elections : The Rise of Bibierman.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sir Pignans View Post
    Man I hate Lieberman.
    Quote Originally Posted by Prosaic Visitant View Post
    Who doesn't?
    I'm with you, guys.
    We have our comedians portraying him as a fascist dictator. Which, in my view, not that far from reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    in the Israeli interpolitics:
    The union will help against the relligious party who just love to blackmail the coalliton for rights such as not serving in the army for Haredi Jews and give them money for studying Torah all ing day.
    Really? Wanna bet that, at some point, our next government somehow will find itself in coalition with SHAS?
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    I hope it will help against the sociallists wishing to return this country to the 50's.
    Right. As if we have a real capitalism, healthy and running. And by the way, who are the socialists? Avoda? Don't make me laugh. A bunch of nobodies who care the most of their cushy seats. Just like Bibi.
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    And it will help to neutralize and destabilize the left which is already broken and powerless.
    And our right is the knight in shining armour? Is that what you're saying? I don't know if you were old enough to see Bibi's first tenure in the 90's. I'm a witness to the disaster it was. Not saying Barak was better, far far worse than anything people can imagine. But let's not pretend that in the past few elections we had anyone, just one, to vote for.
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    In foreign matters:
    I hope they wont piss Obama to much by doing stupid things.
    Like bringing a cartoon picture of atomic bomb to the UN session? Or you mean launching an indecisive military campaign right before the elections? It's not that HAMAS wasn't firing rockets all year long. It's more convenient for us AND for them to escalate prior elections.

    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    I hope theyl straighten up things with Turkey.
    As long as they have their current government and we, unfortunately, have ours I don't see it happening. Sadly...
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    I hopw theyl finally have the balls to attack Iran.
    Why? What on Earth can we gain from that? Or you think that if the States were convinced that Iran is a threat they would hesitate?
    Quote Originally Posted by ronm100 View Post
    And I belive this will actually bring peace closer, as Abu Mazen understands the Israeli population anly gets more nationalistic and right winged every year and maby he will realize its better for him to make peace now then in 20 years.
    Call me a pessimist, I don't see peace here in the near or/and not so near future. Everybody knows it but everybody pretends not to.
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    Wait. Justin Bieber is running for the Prime Ministership of Israel?
    Believe me, as painful it is to say, I'd vote even for him over our politicians.

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    I heard Otzma L'ysrail (Power to israel) campagin was banned for being too racist. I guess only covert racism is allowed in propaganda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salah ad Din Yusuf View Post
    I heard Otzma L'ysrail (Power to israel) campagin was banned for being too racist. I guess only covert racism is allowed in propaganda.
    Actually the overt racism and anti-patriotism Arab Parties is allowed, so it is confusing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Actually the overt racism and anti-patriotism Arab Parties is allowed, so it is confusing
    Balad may be outlawed till january. It isn't too late.
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