Creative Assembly and SEGA Group have entered into a multi-title licensing deal with Games Workshop

[Himster]

And I'd love it if they would make it more sandboxy instead of standard missions gradually harder. Like take your band of mercenaries to whichever country/region you want instead of a default chosen path.

They could do both: like FOTS, I loved those historical battles that had a linear story to them. That's quality gaming, throw warhammer into the mix and you've got a masterpiece.

[Lord Baal]

Didn't mark of chaos were like that too? A series of missions?

[Diocle]

Didn't mark of chaos were like that too? A series of missions?

Mark of Chaos wasn't a good game. Nice graphics but the gameplay was silly and moronic.....

[Lord Baal]

Yeah I know, I'm not arguing that. I meant the stile of gameplay. It was linear missions instead of an "open" world like total war where you don't have missions but merely generic goals.

[Úlfhéðinn]

Yeah I know, I'm not arguing that. I meant the stile of gameplay. It was linear missions instead of an "open" world like total war where you don't have missions but merely generic goals.

I've been thinking about this for a little while and though I like TW's approach as a sandbox with historical factions, I actually loved being a mercenary in Dark Omen and shadow of fhe horned rat. Main reason being able to recruit whatever unit you wanted, be it dwarves, elves or Ogres.
A linear story do have some advantages compared to an open world, but in the case of a linear story here's what I'd like to see:
-A wide variety of different units to recruit *BUT a lot of units should exclude other races' units (or even same faction but competitive mercenary bands)
-A good vs evil path throughout the game
-Consequences for every action/decision
-Upgradable units, both experience, equipment and upgradable commander
-Some randomness or achievment dependence in which units you can recruit.

So I want to be able to play the game several times without it being the exact same game.

[Lord Baal]

I do find linear campaigns also fun because it's like a movie, they give the makers of the campaign the options of trowing some surprises, twists and other things in there, specially when the campaign allows for ramifications, like actions in a mission deciding which will be the following one and it's characteristics (in this case linear doesn't apply much as a tree branched campaign).

What I dislike however is that in this kind of campaigns generally the recruitment of troops and building of infrastructure is left to the battles themselves (Dawn of War games are the perfect example). I find that not only unrealistic but distracting. Don't get me wrong, is fine to call in for reinforcements, occupy some abandon building or find some stranded troops to help you out. I'm not saying that Dawn of War games where awful either, but I would have like them better if they had a more "grand strategy" and a tad less of "Red Alert Economy" on them. For example in Dark Crusade it would have been awesome to have a building and a recruitment system beyond the "bodyguards" ala total war in each province, of course tailored to each faction and it's quirks. Instead we got the build up a base, build up army, terminate enemy, rinse and repeat all over the place. It was even more offensive on SoulStorm where your bases magically disappeared from the map once the mission was done, of course that was made for gameplay balance since the relative small size of maps building lots of defenses would kill off any invading force, an exploit many took advantage off.

However, I don't see why we can have both. Strategy games, at least the ones like Total War with turn based strategy and real time tactics sure can have both kind of campaigns, as The One Ring campaign on Third Age show us, with the right amount of ingenuity you can have linear campaigns on a game that is also a sandbox one. Increase the scope of capabilities of the engine to make more specialized missions and voila! You have yourself a game that can do both. Hell they could even charge for DLC's with neatly done linear campaigns of your favorite factions.

[Diocle]

However, I don't see why we can have both. Strategy games, at least the ones like Total War with turn based strategy and real time tactics sure can have both kind of campaigns, as The One Ring campaign on Third Age show us, with the right amount of ingenuity you can have linear campaigns on a game that is also a sandbox one. Increase the scope of capabilities of the engine to make more specialized missions and voila! You have yourself a game that can do both. Hell they could even charge for DLC's with neatly done linear campaigns of your favorite factions.

My Lord, do you read the mind? have you paranormal abilities? Are you a wizard? This is exactly (also the words are the same) what I'm thinking from years! A dream but a wonderful dream!

Why nobody makes a game using these few, simple, fun, interesting, intelligent ideas?

+rep dear friend, a well deserved +rep!

[Lord Baal]

The thing, I think, is that if they make such game then is game over for them. We wouldn't need anymore games, that engine would serve for all purposes and intents we would have (as for strategy games go). Jejejeje...

For a meager example we have the med 2 engine. People still make mods for it despite the years, meanwhile the mod section of Shogun 2 is getting more and more as used as messenger everyday.

I have been running around with this kind of ideas for a long time, really, if you like you can check out my wall of doom (link on the signature) to see some of my crazy ideas.

[SinerAthin]

I have always put the strenght of TW games in the massive, open world where you can do whatever you want, conquer whomever you want, explore wherever you want, and delve into unique, different factions, each with a different experience to give the whole world a new light.

If they ever did a Warhammer RTS similar to TW games, I'd rather they put linear campaigns in the backseat and put most of their effort on creating a huge, diverse and detailed world, because Warhammer is by no stretch of the imagination a small world, and it has absolutely no lack of details or perks.

[Úlfhéðinn]

I have always put the strenght of TW games in the massive, open world where you can do whatever you want, conquer whomever you want, explore wherever you want, and delve into unique, different factions, each with a different experience to give the whole world a new light.

If they ever did a Warhammer RTS similar to TW games, I'd rather they put linear campaigns in the backseat and put most of their effort on creating a huge, diverse and detailed world, because Warhammer is by no stretch of the imagination a small world, and it has absolutely no lack of details or perks.

I'd like to have both options: One TW style where you can choose between all the factions, and one linear mercenary style like Dark Omen and Shadow of the Horned Rat games from back in the days. They were awesome!

Would they be able to use the R2TW engine though?Here's to hoping they will be able to render magic and make insane animations for all sorts of monsters and warmachines

[Lord Baal]

Neither do Wh40K, however that's exactly what we have gotten so far.

[|Sith| Max]

The TW engines have great potential for FB. I wonder how they plan on handling the 40k aspect. I think something in the trend of the DOW series would be cool, but it has been done already. Perhaps they could simply do something interesting with fully destructable terrain, replacing the training of units with a pre-defined army list (or more controversially filing request to segmentum command and hoping that the troops arrive before the battle concludes).

Then again, since it will be a 40k game i'll probably end up buying it regardless, and hoping for some of that sweet DKOK

[Lord Baal]

I imagine something kind of total war with battles that look like the first Blitzkrieg game, only replace the WW2 paraphernalia with 40K paraphernalia and you are done.

However, even when SEGA has 40K the rights now, I think that they will left the work of 40K to the company that have been making it so far, meanwhile FB is already being developed by CA I think, which strongly points out to a completely Total War like experience on FB, or Call of Warhammer on steroids, or What-Mark-of-Chaos-Should-Have-Been. You get the drift.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Actually we don't know if SEGA got the 40k rights when they bought Relic.
According to Steam, GW signed a deal with THQ to make 40k games. THQ doesn't exist anymore so that contract isn't valid which means GW can give it out to whoever they think is worthy.
Would be nice to know tho if Dawn of War 3 is still in the making and that the transfer to SEGA hasn't ruined it. I need my 40k fix.

[Lord Baal]

Oh thanks for the correction my emprah! Right, then I wonder who would get that fatty prize! This mean no more dawn of war games for a long time I guess.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Oh thanks for the correction my emprah! Right, then I wonder who would get that fatty prize! This mean no more dawn of war games for a long time I guess.

Well I wouldn't say that.
I think GW will let Relic and SEGA continue to make WH40k games. Relic has been very good for 40k. Think I stated it before but I started to play 40k the tabletop game thanks to the dawn of war games and I'm not the only one that has done that.
So as long as Relic makes games that sell and draw in new customers, I can't see the license going to someone else.

[Påsan]

I want my dawn of war 3. All of those games were so fun...

[Lord Baal]

Besides that, I guess that the sales royalties alone would pay off a lot of money to make the video games profitable for GW. I do hope they keep Relic making Dawn of War games, however as yourself stated, that's unknown by the moment.

For the time being, I can recommend the FoK mod, that is finally getting officially translated to SoulStorm.

[Crossed Savage]

I think this will be really good. Currently there's been no real successor to Warhammer: Dark Omen, with the exception of Call of Warhammer and that mod proved how well the Fantasy variant meshes with Total War gameplay.

[Confederate Soldier]

I don't know, the more I think about it the more I think we shall see more Warhammer, though at what cost? As a sega fan, I can tell you since sammy got them they are all about the money, check out the new aliens game. They will also look at it in how to make the most money now, and not latter, so chances are it will be made for everything they can make it for, so, something more along the lines of Space Marine on the systems, PC, and at least the vita if not the 3ds as well. I pray something good will come of this, however I also fear them trying to turn it into sega's Halo series. Only time shall tell.