Creative Assembly and SEGA Group have entered into a multi-title licensing deal with Games Workshop

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Oh snap one person's imagination of a Ghorgon would be another person's inaccurate represenation.

They really can't get away from it can they?

Except this isn't about imagination. History isn't an IP so you can use imagination alot more, even if you aim to make a 100% accurate historical game you still got room to do something special, like the burning pigs in Rome.

Warhammer is however GW's IP, something they are very protective of.
Relic for example with the Dawn of War games are not allowed to make the space marines look whatever, they have to follow the look that the models have. All units in the DoW games and any Warhammer game so far has followed the models almost down to the detail(sometimes the graphics haven't been able to do the models justice)
GW's goal is to sell models, this is the only reason why they gave the IP to CA or anyone else in the past, to expand on their customer base, to get them interested in the tabletop games so they will sell more models.
So GW will not allow CA to make for example a Ghorgon any other way then how their model looks because when a player see that creature in action, the player might say "man, that thing is awesome" and might want that model either to start playing or maybe just to collect. The player is not gonna buy it if the model is different from the one in the game.

[Fracchione]

Except this isn't about imagination. History isn't an IP so you can use imagination alot more, even if you aim to make a 100% accurate historical game you still got room to do something special, like the burning pigs in Rome.

Warhammer is however GW's IP, something they are very protective of.
Relic for example with the Dawn of War games are not allowed to make the space marines look whatever, they have to follow the look that the models have. All units in the DoW games and any Warhammer game so far has followed the models almost down to the detail(sometimes the graphics haven't been able to do the models justice)
GW's goal is to sell models, this is the only reason why they gave the IP to CA or anyone else in the past, to expand on their customer base, to get them interested in the tabletop games so they will sell more models.
So GW will not allow CA to make for example a Ghorgon any other way then how their model looks because when a player see that creature in action, the player might say "man, that thing is awesome" and might want that model either to start playing or maybe just to collect. The player is not gonna buy it if the model is different from the one in the game.

Completely untrue. A wall of text and you managed to make it entirely false. Amazing.

[Shaio]

I can just see it now.
"this is horrible, unacceptable, this chaos warrior should have curly horns!"

"the shape of this (BLA BLAS BLA) infantrymans helmet is wrong! it should be more like this picture!"

heck I normally find reading such threads a face palming experience but I think I might actually find it hilarious in this situation.

[Grimecraft]

As long as beast men are playable I don't give a .

[Lord of the Drunk Penguin]

This... doesn't leave room for the imagination.

While a fantastic, mythical creature like the Beastmen Ghorghon, I believe it does lend rights to one's imaginary skills.
Heavily.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

And what does a 40k vehicle with a different name have to do with a monster in Fantasy with a official model ?

[Ulysses S. Grant]

The Beastman Ghorgon does have a model now:



I doubt any game would stray too far from this look.

[Okuto]

I personally think the model is blah.....lol

though most of the beastmen range is......

[Ulysses S. Grant]

You could do mutations, but most game developers would still make things look like the model in question. Just look at Space Marine:

• The Bloodletters look exactly like the new models despite being daemons.
• The Traitor Guardsmen could have been made to look unique, but instead they look the same as the Seige of Vraks Traitor models.
• The Ork Warboss looks amost exactly like Ghazkul. They could have designed a unique warboss, but didn't.
• Even the Chaos Lord looks like it was made using the plastic Chaos Lord in Terminator Armour kit and then copied into the game.

[God-Emperor of Mankind]

Again, it's all about selling models. If the model is in a game then people might want it.
Pretty sure that if we ever see chaos spawn in a game they will look exactly like the model.

Also the ghorgon is not a mythological beast in this context. Ulysses showed you the image, that's a ghorgon in warhammer fantasy, that's how they look in that universe. The look is now tied to the IP for that unit. Any ghorgon in warhammer fantasy will look like that or the options provided in the box it comes in.

[Elyrioth]

Having collected GW products since the mid 80's and Played all the Video games, GW are very protective of their IP.
I cannot see this changing. Any game created will have the Warhammer Look and Feel based on the GW artwork and Models.
Usually to the point where they are exact copies.

We may see mutations/customisations etc but largely it will be as per the artwork/models produced by GW.

[Ulysses S. Grant]

That and a Gorgon in myth is a woman with snakes for hair that turns people to stone. Ghorgons in fantasy are giant beastmen with four arms that eat men whole.

[SkyTrickster]

I'm pretty excited about this news. Warhammer Fantasy lends itself perfectly for an Total War esque style, but I hope they do some things different though. Maybe less campaign map stuff because I feel the combat and battle styles are just more important in Warhammer.

Also the 40K license will stay with THQ for a while, because they are still working on that dark millenium game which transblended into an singlepayer game (Space Marine 2, perhaps?) Also I can see a Dawn of War 3 announcement coming after CoH2 releases.
Either way, should THQ go down with their problems, the 40K license and relic studio MUST be saved. I wonder if Sega has the money though..

[Londinium]

I'm pretty excited about this news. Warhammer Fantasy lends itself perfectly for an Total War esque style, but I hope they do some things different though. Maybe less campaign map stuff because I feel the combat and battle styles are just more important in Warhammer.

Also the 40K license will stay with THQ for a while, because they are still working on that dark millenium game which transblended into an singlepayer game (Space Marine 2, perhaps?) Also I can see a Dawn of War 3 announcement coming after CoH2 releases.
Either way, should THQ go down with their problems, the 40K license and relic studio MUST be saved. I wonder if Sega has the money though..

I'm dubious as to whether we're ever going to see Dark Millenium, changing a game from an MMORPG to a single player action game is a much bigger deal than has been reported. They're gonna have to pretty much rip the game to pieces and put it back together, the only stuff that will really be easily reutilised are the graphics and various areas they've already built. I think it's 50/50 that we won't see it before THQ goes under.

Sega probably doesn't have the money to buy out THQ, it's not exactly in rude health itself, it's been pretty mismanaged since it went third party (buying CA and SI aside). More than likely THQ will go down and then the vultures will pick the carcass clean with a number of companies buying different IPs. I imagine the GW/THQ deal will have a clause where if THQ go bankrupt the license is automatically cancelled, I can't see GW wanting any random company to be able to pick up the 40k license without some input.

[Londinium]

I'm dubious as to whether we're ever going to see Dark Millenium, changing a game from an MMORPG to a single player action game is a much bigger deal than has been reported. They're gonna have to pretty much rip the game to pieces and put it back together, the only stuff that will really be easily reutilised are the graphics and various areas they've already built. I think it's 50/50 that we won't see it before THQ goes under.

Sega probably doesn't have the money to buy out THQ, it's not exactly in rude health itself, it's been pretty mismanaged since it went third party (buying CA and SI aside). More than likely THQ will go down and then the vultures will pick the carcass clean with a number of companies buying different IPs. I imagine the GW/THQ deal will have a clause where if THQ go bankrupt the license is automatically cancelled, I can't see GW wanting any random company to be able to pick up the 40k license without some input.

...and...here...we...go!

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 40k license in someone else's hands by the end of the year now THQ is bankrupt and knowing the track record of venture capitalists in running games companies, will probably go bankrupt again within a year or two. Although I don't think SEGA or CA will go in for that license.

Also noteworthy is that in their bankruptcy documents THQ had to file details on all their future games and how much they were going to cost and estimated sales. Games that aren't even officially announced like 1666 were included...Dark Millenium was nowhere to be seen.

[SkyTrickster]

...and...here...we...go!

I wouldn't be surprised to see the 40k license in someone else's hands by the end of the year now THQ is bankrupt and knowing the track record of venture capitalists in running games companies, will probably go bankrupt again within a year or two. Although I don't think SEGA or CA will go in for that license.

Also noteworthy is that in their bankruptcy documents THQ had to file details on all their future games and how much they were going to cost and estimated sales. Games that aren't even officially announced like 1666 were included...Dark Millenium was nowhere to be seen.

I don't have much knowledge of this but they did some 'trick' they don't go bankrupt, but are being bought up by a middle party, clearlake capital. it's kinda like a delayment of payment. They can continue develop their games for a while (atleast the ones that are known at the moment). And their sales will decide the fate of THQ. Either they fail and disappear from the stage, or they sell enough to make a second beginning. A lot of companies went through this proces actually.

[Londinium]

I don't have much knowledge of this but they did some 'trick' they don't go bankrupt, but are being bought up by a middle party, clearlake capital. it's kinda like a delayment of payment. They can continue develop their games for a while (atleast the ones that are known at the moment). And their sales will decide the fate of THQ. Either they fail and disappear from the stage, or they sell enough to make a second beginning. A lot of companies went through this proces actually.

Technically it's a specific kind of bankruptcy, Chapter 11, what Chrysler and GM did a few years back. ClearLake Capital is the 'stalking horse' which means any other company can also put in a bid in the next 60 days and according to games websites Ubisoft is kicking the tyres. Either way it looks as though THQ will cease to exist as we know it, either Ubisoft takes it over (flush with ACIII cash) or ClearLake does...and venture capital groups aren't exactly well known for keeping hold of their investments for a long time.

[Denny Crane!]

Anyone remember shadow of the horned rat or dark omen?

[Elyrioth]

Anyone remember shadow of the horned rat or dark omen?

Oh yes, I enjoyed them good for the time. Obviously would expect something completely different now.

[Dewy]

Anyone remember shadow of the horned rat or dark omen?

Yeah I remember them. I remember shadow of the horned rat being very hard, well I do suck at rts so maybe it wasn't that hard.