Plans for 10,000 capacity London mosque rejected

[Pfundner]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20605213

Common sense or discrimination? As a secularist and staunch atheist I have to say the idea of 10,000 muslims descending on a single site in London several times a week does not appeal in the slightest. But in a modern democracy, shouldn't people have the ability to worship?

From the article: Community leader Ala Uddin Ahmed said: "There are 90,000 Muslims around the borough.
The Muslim community is growing and there is need for bigger worship."

If this is true the ruling does seem problematic, as by preventing adequately sized places of worship, is the council not denying the right to religious worship? Also, would plans for a new church, say an Anglican one, have faced the same fate?

Just wondered what you guys thought

[I WUB PUGS]

Pfffffft, get with the times. Every religion deserves a massive abomination of architecture to purvey their magical nonsense.

Exhibit A:

Just another reason to hate Orange County California.

[Stavroforos]

If they can find the land to build it, then there's nothing anyone should be able to do about it.

[Menelik_I]

The protests in Egypt were mostly started Friday afternoon after the Mosque, so if you are paranoid about a massive protest of at least 10 000 muslims on the streets after hearing a crazy Islamic Cleric on drugs, it might not be a bad decision.

However the government should allow the building of the Mosque, otherwise it would be an insult to the Britain fastest growing demographic and whose positions are increasingly that of the wider British population.

[I WUB PUGS]

Ain't no party like an Ashura party.

Why on earth would Britain ever want to miss out on this? Or are we discriminating against Shi'a exclusively?

In any case, we are nearly at the time of year when baby-Jeezus was born in a pig trough to a "virgin" and a carpenter with blue-balls, whilst surrounded by creepy "wise" bedu's and farm animals. Baby-Jeezus then cut down a fir tree and hung ornaments on it while a fat pedophile in a red suit gave presents to all the children in exchange for sitting on his lap.

[Menelik_I]

Ain't no party like an Ashura party.

Why on earth would Britain ever want to miss out on this? Or are discriminating against Shi'a exclusively?

Could help British Soldiers get advanced training for A-Stan.

fat pedophile in a red suit gave presents to all the children in exchange for sitting on his lap.

No country on the world has either enough Shopping centers or Pedophiles to do that but the US ...

Yeah Hummerica

[Lord Baratheon]

10000 muslims live there and thus should be allowed to worship accordingly.The real issue here is why there are 10000 muslims in one borough in London in the first place.

[Pfundner]

10000 muslims live there and thus should be allowed to worship accordingly.The real issue here is why there are 10000 muslims in one borough in London in the first place.

Agreed.

[AqD]

Agreed.

I wonder the same thing. How did Europeans end up bringing up so many unhappy Muslims back to their homeland?

[justicar5]

10000 muslims live there and thus should be allowed to worship accordingly.The real issue here is why there are 10000 muslims in one borough in London in the first place.

Population of the Borough is 279k ish. So 10k is one in 27 or under 4% of the population.

http://www.newham.info/research/CFPr...ordWestHam.pdf


Why the want a mega mosque is a whole different issue

[mongrel]

Population of the Borough is 279k ish. So 10k is one in 27 or under 4% of the population.

http://www.newham.info/research/CFPr...ordWestHam.pdf


Why the want a mega mosque is a whole different issue

Does that mean that there are more West Ham fans?

[Toho]

Ain't no party like an Ashura party.

Why on earth would Britain ever want to miss out on this? Or are we discriminating against Shi'a exclusively?

In any case, we are nearly at the time of year when baby-Jeezus was born in a pig trough to a "virgin" and a carpenter with blue-balls, whilst surrounded by creepy "wise" bedu's and farm animals. Baby-Jeezus then cut down a fir tree and hung ornaments on it while a fat pedophile in a red suit gave presents to all the children in exchange for sitting on his lap.

holy hell what kind of Ashura is that?! I lived 12 years in Iran and I never saw that kind of .
people wore caliphate costumes and role-played the historical event by riding camels and horses (thats the fancy ones) then there were these guys carrying these huge banner stands that was at least 14 meters wide, if I remember correctly, and they were decorated by all these pictures, flowers, plums, candles, metal sculptures and so on...
here are some pictures of your typical Ashura stuff, I loved that holiday, every mosque gave out free food and people gave out free drinks... me and my cousins used to sneak in one by one and ask the guy responsible for 2 portions for our "little sister" and return home triumphant by having cheated the system. Parents and Grandma were disappointed but it was totally worth it... ahh... good times.
here are some pictures of what would typically happen, I cant believe how much gore or at least "fake gore" is shown for this holiday, I mean I have never seen such a thing, it shocked me.

role play: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...hura_iran2.jpg
one of those huge things (forgot name, and this one is kind of small): http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/50490901.jpg
a random one: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/wp-con.../11/ashura.jpg
what you would see from the sidewalk: http://static4.demotix.com/sites/def...esh_956300.jpg
I used to be one of those kids back in the day: http://static3.demotix.com/sites/def...os/1634559.jpg
the best part: http://www.taghribnews.com/images/do...00116501-b.jpg

[Prosaic Visitant]

holy hell what kind of Ashura is that?! I lived 12 years in Iran and I never saw that kind of .
people wore caliphate costumes and role-played the historical event by riding camels and horses (thats the fancy ones) then there were these guys carrying these huge banner stands that was at least 14 meters wide, if I remember correctly, and they were decorated by all these pictures, flowers, plums, candles, metal sculptures and so on...
here are some pictures of your typical Ashura stuff, I loved that holiday, every mosque gave out free food and people gave out free drinks... me and my cousins used to sneak in one by one and ask the guy responsible for 2 portions for our "little sister" and return home triumphant by having cheated the system. Parents and Grandma were disappointed but it was totally worth it... ahh... good times.
here are some pictures of what would typically happen, I cant believe how much gore or at least "fake gore" is shown for this holiday, I mean I have never seen such a thing, it shocked me.

role play: http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/a...hura_iran2.jpg
one of those huge things (forgot name, and this one is kind of small): http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/p...m/50490901.jpg
a random one: http://www.themuslimtimes.org/wp-con.../11/ashura.jpg
what you would see from the sidewalk: http://static4.demotix.com/sites/def...esh_956300.jpg
I used to be one of those kids back in the day: http://static3.demotix.com/sites/def...os/1634559.jpg
the best part: http://www.taghribnews.com/images/do...00116501-b.jpg

I believe it's from either Iraq or Bahrain because Ashura there, and in other places like India, can get pretty wild, as you saw in the photo. As you say, the Iranians just happen to have the most civilised (read: not cutting themselves) festivals.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-20605213

Common sense or discrimination? As a secularist and staunch atheist I have to say the idea of 10,000 muslims descending on a single site in London several times a week does not appeal in the slightest. But in a modern democracy, shouldn't people have the ability to worship?

Well, according to Councillor Conor McAule, the building was rejected for practical reasons, nothing more.

Why do you not like the idea of that many muslims gathering at a single site though? Discriminating against a group radicalizes them and causes animosity. Accepting them into the culture of the developed world will help the develop further in mindset and material. It will have indirect effects on the muslim world abroad as well. They will remain religious, but they will not be extremists, and eventually, the muslim world will be where we are at now.

[Knight of Heaven]

satanic verses anyone? i wonder if anyone in london would write something like it again. :/

[Menelik_I]

satanic verses anyone? i wonder if anyone in london would write something like it again. :/

I imagine 10 000 angry Muslims exiting the mosque to protest a New Satanic Verse Book... pure televised hilarity and millions in flags sales

[PointOfViewGun]

They certainly don't need a mosque that big. Smaller mosques could be built.

[Stavroforos]

They certainly don't need a mosque that big. Smaller mosques could be built.

Said the guy from the country famous for its small mosques.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

Said the guy from the country famous for its small mosques.

is that supposed to be some kind of insult?

Well, I guess we all know what they say about big mosques...

Or do we?

[Stavroforos]

is that supposed to be some kind of insult?

Well, I guess we all know what they say about big mosques...

Or do we?

No not at all, I like big mosques. They're impressive and beautiful.