Question about bigness of armies!

**Steuner** · August 04, 2006, 06:17 AM

Just a question...
What is the BIGGEST game you can get? (= howmuch soldiers)

Is it like 20.000 soldiers in 1 game, or 60.000 soldiers, orsumthing...
For RTW / RTW:BI / RTW:A / any mod for those games...

I just wondered bcz I was boosting about the greatness of RTW

And I'm wondering what the exact numbers are...
I think around 38K :hmmm:

**Kraut** · August 04, 2006, 06:21 AM

Well, an all peasant army would be 20 units of 120 men each, that is... let me think... 2400 men.

Hell, is this true? No bigger armies than 2.4k men? That´s not even ONE historical Legion (which had about 5k men).

I am confused now...

**Rommen** · August 04, 2006, 06:52 AM

think about you can't have that many troops of the battle field, the performance would be throttled back a fair bit,

i admit it would be cool to have 10k men on the battle field, but you know

**Lusted** · August 04, 2006, 06:59 AM

I know someone fought a battle with 38k soldiers. But they had a very good pc. And the biggest single army you could have would be 20x243, the maximum amount of soldiers you can have in a unit onhuge settings with 3 officers in the unit which is 4860. Remember RTw is an abstraction of actual army sizes, so you wont get actual sized legions.

**Vergil** · August 04, 2006, 08:11 AM

In 200 Bc was the Roman army about 4 legions of 5000 men.. I don't think a normal pc can handel that only a Hardcore pc. like those of alienware

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**Solaris** · August 04, 2006, 10:16 AM

Like Lusted said, everything is scaled down on RTW.. do you think Rome actually had a population of 20000?

**Vergil** · August 04, 2006, 10:38 AM

The core of the Roman army was formed by the units called legions from the latin legio, meaning a levy. During the first three centuries of the empire the army contained no more than 25 to 34 legions. Each of these units consisted of about 5000-6000 men recruited among the citizen body. ( http://members.tripod.com/~S_van_Dorst/legio.html) BTW this is a good site about the army's

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**NobleNick** · August 04, 2006, 02:11 PM

Going from Lusted's definition of the largest full stack (243 x 20 = 4860), then the largest battles can be figured out by how many full stacks show up to a battle. If you have a full stack in a city and 2 full stacks parked next to the city, and the computer attacks with 3 perfect full stacks (it is a stretch of my imagination that this could happen in campaign mode) then you would have 3 on 3 = 6 x 4860 = 29.2K. A battle of 4 versus 4 would be 8 x 4860 = 38.9K

The largest battles that you could expect to see in campaign mode would be 2 vs 2 on huge settings. Since H.I., most ranged units, and some light infantry come in the 160 man size, some light infantry is 240 strong, cav is 108, and generals and specialty units typically number a lot less; we will generously estimate an average unit size of 175. This gives full stacks of 20 x 175 = 3.5K. So a late game encounter between you and multiple AI stacks should top out at about 4 x 3.5K = 14K men. I would expect battles of this this size and beyond to be rare.

**Steuner** · August 05, 2006, 07:02 AM

GUYS GUYS GUYS... Geesj!

I didn't asked IF my PC will handle it... Coz it will... (my brothers PC that is... He bought himself a new one and a friend of mine said that he could easily handle 40K soldiers...)

That guys also said that he had a battle of 50K troops (RTW: A)

Now isn't there a way to increase the unit size?

Coz it would be aces to play with like 60K soldiers...

**golden collini** · August 05, 2006, 09:38 AM

Steuner = I can just imagine my PC 'crashing' at the thought of a 50K+ battle...........:O

**Steuner** · August 06, 2006, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by golden collini

Steuner = I can just imagine my PC 'crashing' at the thought of a 50K+ battle...........:O

I feel your pain

My PC can't handle all of that, but my brother's PC should be able to handle it lol...

**The Lacedaemonian** · August 05, 2006, 09:39 AM

there was a replay at youtube about a battle with 60000 and over men. how did he do it? it was like 8 vs. 8!

**golden collini** · August 05, 2006, 10:52 AM

Battle fatigue......must have seen double in the heat of battle!

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**xXx-Tricky-xXx** · August 05, 2006, 07:10 PM

when i was playing barbarian envasion, I had 3 armies of all 20 stacks, about maybe 4000-5000, one was in the castle, 2 was right otuside it, and the huns had 9 full stack armies so they attacked with 3 armies and i had 3 armies, so I had to control 15,000 men and protect my city agasint 15,000 huns. 0_0 Luckly it wasnt night but i got smoked. So many men, my fps was like 10 that I have 2 attack the rear and I coudlnt get my incity army outside soo many ppl it was a mess.

**golden collini** · August 06, 2006, 11:14 AM

Lately this heat has been causing my PC to crash.....that or a Selucid Army fighting the Bruttii in macedon with six units of sythian chariots!!!

Man I love seeing those 'babies' 'crashing' in to the 'green plague' and sending them back to Rome!!!!

Tricky.....I dunno about my pc breaking down, but controlling three armies that size would cause me to crash!!

The only time I handled three Roman Armies was a final battle with the big cheese, Rome itself......and he fielded two armies and you know how tough they can be...........

Nightmare, but fun!

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**Steuner** · August 06, 2006, 01:57 PM

So there's no way to make the unit size doubled again? like instead of 240 make it 480 instead... That would be not to hard I hope?

**The Lacedaemonian** · August 06, 2006, 02:19 PM

wait!!!!!!!!!!!!

i didnt see your question right!

to edit unit sizes go to preferences.txt where it says unit_change the number to whatever you want. for example if you pick the number 100, regular units (infantry) will be a 100 men.

however there is a limit. though i forgot the limit.

**Lusted** · August 06, 2006, 04:34 PM

So there's no way to make the unit size doubled again? like instead of 240 make it 480 instead... That would be not to hard I hope?

Impossible, hardcoded upper limit of soldiers you can have on huge unit setting is 240, no way to make them bigger.

**Hader** · August 06, 2006, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lusted

Impossible, hardcoded upper limit of soldiers you can have on huge unit setting is 240, no way to make them bigger.

Yeah, unfortunetly

damn hardcoded stuff

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But on that one show on the History channel that they used RTW for some of the units they had looked like that had more than 240 in them.....well it is CA who did all that so they could do anything for that show. Oh well.

**joorik** · August 06, 2006, 06:03 PM

The bigges you should be able to have should be around 9 armies(if you put 8 armies around one of the enemies and then attack). A fight in one square should automatically involve all armies around that square also. Never seen a point in doing that so cant really confirm tho