Bristol University Christian Union bans women from speaking at meetings unless their husbands accompanies them.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012...?utm_hp_ref=tw

According to Huffington Post UK, Bristol University Christian Union (BUCU) has banned women from speaking at meetings unless they are accompanied by their husband.

Pretty shocking , that will almost certainly be in violation of the university's charter, and likely British law.

The university paper has also broken the story:

http://bristol.tab.co.uk/2012/12/03/...male-speakers/

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lol well I ed this thread title, didn't I? I'm jet-lagged, it's not my fault.

[Sir Winston Churchill]

Does this count over the university or just members? Is membership voluntary? Does membership come with any benefits not granted to normal students? Just curious questions really, it's not condonable either way, and has the mindset of medieval times and is simply barbaric in today's day and age.

[basics]

" According to Huffington Post UK, Bristol University Christian Union (BUCU) has banned women from speaking at meetings unless they are accompanied by their husband."

Ferrets 54,

According to what is written both in 2nd Corinthians and Timothy, women have to keep silent in church, church being where any two or three believers are gathered in His name. So them that have constituted this rule are perfectly correct although I don't see where their husbands being with them has any bearing on the rule laid down by Paul at the instruction or leading of the Lord Jesus Christ. But then if anyone has that in Scripture I would be grateful for the information.

" Pretty shocking , that will almost certainly be in violation of the university's charter, and likely British law."

So when the church meets, what law is it that comes first to that gathering? Is it to comply with the wishes of man or God? I don't know about the charter thing but what British Law supercedes what happens in the church?

" The university paper has also broken the story:"

Why not? After all it has begun to do what you are continuing and that is to try to make something out of nothing that concerns them or you, unless of course you happen to be a born again Christian wherein you have every right to make comment.

[The Dude]

" According to Huffington Post UK, Bristol University Christian Union (BUCU) has banned women from speaking at meetings unless they are accompanied by their husband."

Ferrets 54,

According to what is written both in 2nd Corinthians and Timothy, women have to keep silent in church, church being where any two or three believers are gathered in His name

Then it's high time to accept Corinthians and Timothy for what they are: archaic pieces of barbaric drivel.

[basics]

" Then it's high time to accept Corinthians and Timothy for what they are: archaic pieces of barbaric drivel."

The Dude,

The thing is that wherever this archaic drivel is practised the assemblies are full to overflowing whereas where it has been watered down the places are emptying so fast because the blessing has been removed. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would be removed or should be removed as far as He was concerned and Him being God must be correct so poor ole man and woman are obliged to obey. That is what Christianity or being born again is all about.

The thing is that in God's church there are many gifts that apply to both men and women, it just happens that teaching and evangelising is for them that God calls out to do it, these being all men. The first most important of the three main ones is prophecy which women may participate in, but like men there must be an interpreter present when prophecies are made. Women may also teach other women but not the general congregation as such.

Therefore the offices of elder and bishop are for men only. Peter himself said that the latter was of one serving tables so that gives anyone an idea of what bishops were ordained to do. They were never meant to rule the church because as I said the three main gifts were Prophecy, Evangelising and Teaching, gifts that chosen men like Timothy were given at the leading of the Holy Ghost. So there is a role for women but it remains in the first and not the second or third.

These things Paul was very much concerned with because he was given them by the Lord Jesus Christ that from the very beginning man was the head just as He is the Head of the church. Therefore because there was confusion in the early churches regarding the gifts and the operation of such it was extremely important that diversity was avoided, meaning that the Gospel stood strong and constant in all them that had been born again. They were to be of one mind just as they were of One Faith, One Lord and One Spirit of truth.

Therefore why should what was established from the beginning be changed to suit unBiblical orthodoxy so that the religious might have their way? The church is not religious. It is the living organism of many parts that going together fulfill everything in Jesus Christ and in accordance with all set about at creation itself. Never in the life of that organism has it been written that women hold precedence over men. That is why in marriage the man is the head of the family whether women like it or not. As we see many don't like it and want to turn what has been given on its head.

So, all you that cry out inequality, not fair or anything else are but worldly entities stirring up trouble for the church which is to be expected from a world that doesn't know God nor understand His written word. Were you Spiritually guided not one word of protest would pass your lips and the same can be said for those that want to de-establish all that is written and if that includes the Anglican church then so be it. The group in that University are quite correct just as those that voted against women bishops are.

To finish, the church of the living God does not expect the worldly to understand these things because without the indwelt Spirit it cannot. Indeed without the Spirit taking away the hard heartedness no-one can see the beauty behind what is written never mind the marvels that come with knowing God. Everything to them is of the fallen nature, the fallen creation with its built up manmade religiosity or even without and knowing that nothing is equal within these systems their cries are both pointless and hypocritical.

[Ummagumma]

The thing is that wherever this archaic drivel is practised the assemblies are full to overflowing whereas where it has been watered down the places are emptying so fast because the blessing has been removed. Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would be removed or should be removed as far as He was concerned and Him being God must be correct so poor ole man and woman are obliged to obey. That is what Christianity or being born again is all about.

You know, the churches near me show the exact opposite to that. The stuffy archaic churches in nice big buildings are mostly empty and in constant financial straits, while the evangelical born-again types that allow female speakers (following divine inspiration, apparently) are not in large enough buildings for the communities rallied to them, and do several charitable works at great effect in the local - and wider - community.

I thought I should let you know that some folks have decided to allow some literate womb-bearers to actually share their knowledge and experience with the church. They were told (in their minds) it was a 'good thing' by none other than God, or the Spirit, or whomever else gives divine guidance. In return, their congregations have reached critical mass, and their charitable and voluntary schemes are a celebrated powerhouse of the community (relatively speaking). So much for blessings being removed? The Evil Devil told them that women can teach, and provided a great about of good into the community through it.. (The older churches were traditional, self-serving hoarding style churches that did minimal charity at maximum publicity - I think there is something against that in Matthew somewhere.. so much for folks doing things the 'real' way..)

Disclaimer: I am an absolute atheist, but I have an interest in Christianity, particularly art and mythology. Some of my family are quite religious though, and go to a few different churches, so often am indirectly involved with some things, and hear about much else, for good or ill).

[basics]

" You know, the churches near me show the exact opposite to that. The stuffy archaic churches in nice big buildings are mostly empty and in constant financial straits, while the evangelical born-again types that allow female speakers (following divine inspiration, apparently) are not in large enough buildings for the communities rallied to them, and do several charitable works at great effect in the local - and wider - community."

Ummagumma,

Yes, I know about both them and the so-called evangelicals that have full churches and there is a Biblical answer to both. In both cases the people leading and the people hearing are not being taught properly the word of God because if they were no woman would be teaching at all but remaining silent in those churches and in the case of the empty buildings were the teachers actually teaching Biblical truth then perhaps they would be full again as they once were.

The final analysis is not what good is done in any community but what is done for God. By that I mean obeying Him and not what the itchy ears want to believe. The garden is an example of what happens when people don't listen to God. Women may have the best will in the world and that can be seen in any so-called church, nonetheless they have to curtail their enthusiasm in church as God has laid down. They are not allowed to teach unless it is to other women especially young women. They may prophecy but only if an interpreter is present. Otherwise they must remain silent.

But there is another angle to all of this and it is called easy believeism where man is put before God precisely because numbers are important just as their coinage is. An example of that is Billy Graham, who if memory serves me correct did not allow women to teach, put emphasis on man making choices, that is that God must respond to the will of man. Well at the Wembley arena 6,000 were persuaded to go out at the altar call, asked Jesus into their lives, names and addresses given, and six years later only 6 were still going to church.

Was the Spirit of God really in the other 5,994? Just so with your churches where women are preaching or teaching, why? Because the Spirit of God cannot possibly condone something that is contrary to Him that He is part of. So what is the problem? Enthusiasm and feelings replacing the Holy Ghost as the medium by which these organisations draw in their adherents. The soft music and soft spoken words can't replace the cutting edged sword of the Spirit of God that sinks deep into the soul of sinning men and women because that's what it takes to make a Christian.

So what's the difference there you might ask? They all say that they believe in Jesus? The answer to that is another question and it is this, does Jesus know them, have they been born again of the Spirit of God, sheep in the fold, or are they just goats who neither know Him nor Him them? Are they tares or wheat? The Bible, the word of God, says they are the latter, dressed exactly to conform yet their word is poison bringing about death to them that eat of it. Their message hits all the right notes on the surface but has no depth, no broken hearts nor contrite spirits leading to the only One who changes lives. Like most of the responses here their message is frivolous.

[Denny Crane!]

" According to Huffington Post UK, Bristol University Christian Union (BUCU) has banned women from speaking at meetings unless they are accompanied by their husband."

Ferrets 54,

According to what is written both in 2nd Corinthians and Timothy, women have to keep silent in church, church being where any two or three believers are gathered in His name. So them that have constituted this rule are perfectly correct although I don't see where their husbands being with them has any bearing on the rule laid down by Paul at the instruction or leading of the Lord Jesus Christ. But then if anyone has that in Scripture I would be grateful for the information.

" Pretty shocking , that will almost certainly be in violation of the university's charter, and likely British law."

So when the church meets, what law is it that comes first to that gathering? Is it to comply with the wishes of man or God? I don't know about the charter thing but what British Law supercedes what happens in the church?

" The university paper has also broken the story:"

Why not? After all it has begun to do what you are continuing and that is to try to make something out of nothing that concerns them or you, unless of course you happen to be a born again Christian wherein you have every right to make comment.

You seriously defending this misogynistic crap?

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So when the church meets, what law is it that comes first to that gathering?

All British law. The religious are not above the law, and if they try to behave otherwise they will be crushed by secular authority. This is a fact.

[Valden]

This is the second anti-Christian propaganda attempt you have made recently Ferrets, yes I remember that thread about the scrap of paper regarding Jesus' 'wife'! All I can say is you clearly have some personal resentment against Christianity.

All British law. The religious are not above the law, and if they try to behave otherwise they will be crushed by secular authority. This is a fact.

Now, I do find this statement quite disturbing. I accept you have grievances against Christianity for whatever personal reason, but asserting that the 'religious' (most human beings then) should be 'crushed' by 'secular authority' if they try and behave above the law is borderline hateful. And what 'secular authority' are you referring to here? Do you mean our democratically elected government? We're all going to have a vote and go and 'crush' all religious folk because some wackos in Bristol don't want unmarried girls talking in their meetings? You see a war between atheists and 'religious' people than only exists in the minds of extremists on both sides. I think the irony of this whole thing is that you probably don't even see how much of an ideological extremist you really are.

[removeduser_487563287433]

Now, I do find this statement quite disturbing.

What is disturbing is that religious zealots like the BUCU and those who sympathise with them like basics want to silence half the British population. The point of the law is to protect the weak from monsters such as that, and it will, with all force required.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

So when the church meets, what law is it that comes first to that gathering? Is it to comply with the wishes of man or God? I don't know about the charter thing but what British Law supercedes what happens in the church?

Religious organisations, or any organisations for that matter, can't break the rules of the country they are in.
In Secular Societies secular laws apply before anything else. You couldn't sacrifice a human to your god inside the Church or at a religious gathering, without breaking the country's laws.

You seriously defending this misogynistic crap?

Are you really surprised?

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

" According to Huffington Post UK, Bristol University Christian Union (BUCU) has banned women from speaking at meetings unless they are accompanied by their husband."

Ferrets 54,

According to what is written both in 2nd Corinthians and Timothy, women have to keep silent in church, church being where any two or three believers are gathered in His name. So them that have constituted this rule are perfectly correct although I don't see where their husbands being with them has any bearing on the rule laid down by Paul at the instruction or leading of the Lord Jesus Christ. But then if anyone has that in Scripture I would be grateful for the information.

" Pretty shocking , that will almost certainly be in violation of the university's charter, and likely British law."

So when the church meets, what law is it that comes first to that gathering? Is it to comply with the wishes of man or God? I don't know about the charter thing but what British Law supercedes what happens in the church?

" The university paper has also broken the story:"

Why not? After all it has begun to do what you are continuing and that is to try to make something out of nothing that concerns them or you, unless of course you happen to be a born again Christian wherein you have every right to make comment.

Great, now tell me why exactly should anyone adhere to the scriptures of your idiotic superstition!

[Himster]

Ferrets why so angry?
edit: answer:

What is disturbing is that religious zealots like the BUCU and those who sympathise with them like basics want to silence half the British population. The point of the law is to protect the weak from monsters such as that, and it will, with all force required.

Ah, well ok then. Maybe this should be in the mudpit?

Anyway, this isn't a problem if only members are limited like this and membership is voluntary. Private organizations can choose the criteria that qualifies it's members who can hold position as long as the members are made aware at joining. The fact that these rules are religiously motivated has absolutely no effect on their validity.

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Ferrets why so angry?

[sumskilz]

Anyway, this isn't a problem if only members are limited like this and membership is voluntary. Private organizations can choose the criteria that qualifies it's members who can hold position as long as the members are made aware at joining. The fact that these rules are religiously motivated has absolutely no effect on their validity.

^This

[Himster]

Lol:

Puny god.

[Jom]

I wonder how these misogynists behave when confronted with a female lecturer.

[removeduser_487563287433]

I think we can guess. Would help explain how they can be so ing stupid.