The past, present and futre of rock

Looking at where rock has been, where it is now and where it is going has to make you wonder. We have a wonderful form of music that began around the career or Billy Haley, progressed with Elvis, reached it's peak wih men like Morrison, Hendrix, crusied with groups like zepplin, the sex pistols, metallica ac dc and etc only to begin to slow down after wonderful groups like vanhalen and guns n roses and now, today, we have the crap called rock. Bubble gum music is what I call it. Is rock dead? Will it come back? Is this the end of rock?

Rock will never die; perhaps it will only loose the spirit it once had, but it will remain amongst the true fans, much like those of Jazz.

I dont think Rock is dead, Especially when we have bands like Tool and Muse, who are still trying to push boundaries.
The problem is that, as with everything, the music industry has exerted such control over it for the last 10 years or so that it has squeezed the life out of it as a musical genre.
If the musicians can regain control of it, then the quality will improve. The internet can really help with that, because a band can basically cut out the record companies completely and distribute their own music. The problem is that the record companies have begun to realise this, so we can expect more legislation on music distribution.
Damn capitalism.

The future of rock today: Muse. They mix music from different genres and their latest albumn is outstanding. They are perhaps the most influential rock band at the moment as they are doing stuff no one else is. They are being experimental but still producing outstanding music.

Originally Posted by Lusted

The future of rock today: Muse. They mix music from different genres and their latest albumn is outstanding. They are perhaps the most influential rock band at the moment as they are doing stuff no one else is. They are being experimental but still producing outstanding music.

Though I agree with you about the quality of Muse, I think that could very well be their undoing. A lot of people find them pompous and arrogant, and in today's rock world, where misery, shoe-gazing and parent hating seem to be compulsary, I think a lot of people are put off by them.
Personally, I think their pomposity and arrogance are perfect. After all, isnt that how supremely talented rock bands are meant to act?

Originally Posted by Lusted

The future of rock today: Muse. They mix music from different genres and their latest albumn is outstanding. They are perhaps the most influential rock band at the moment as they are doing stuff no one else is. They are being experimental but still producing outstanding music.

There exist other bands then muse you know... A lot of bands produce great rock music. Muse is just one band on the cutting edge of many.

In general, rock is not dead. And it doesn't smell funny either. It evolved. As did the world. As it should.
If Jimi Hendrix were to be reincarnated, he would make different music, responding to different conditions. Or different drugs maybe :-)

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Rock will never die, and all this new wave stuff has if anything revived the rock genre. Infact, its the other way round, rock is thriving now and all the traditional pop acts and boybands are dying.

Exactly, i know some people complain because their songs aren't about hangovers etc., but i love the huge war of the world, galaxy colliding edge to them,it fits perfectly with them, and gives them an extra edge. I dont think Muse have ever been understated.

Originally Posted by Lusted

Exactly, i know some people complain because their songs aren't about hangovers etc., but i love the huge war of the world, galaxy colliding edge to them,it fits perfectly with them, and gives them an extra edge. I dont think Muse have ever been understated.

I like them for exactly the same reason. Their music is unashamedly overblown, but written so well that it never crosses the line into shameless self-indulgence. My only criticism of Muse is that their songs are too short. I'd like to hear them knock out some 15 minute epics (In the way that Tool do).
Its funny, because when i first heard Muse (The song "Muscle Museum", IIRC) I wrote them off as another whiney Indie/Grunge band. I couldn't have been more wrong if i tried!!

As for Rock killing off all the boyband's and pop acts... I guess thats true, to a point, but all thats happening is that all the little screaming kiddies are listening to "rock" acts instead, and rather than listening because of the music, they are listening because of the fashion, or because they're attacted to the band members. Most of these bands put out incredibly sub-standard records (especially the US pop-punk stuff) and end up selling millions of albums. I think i'd rather that pop music had a resurgence, so that all this kiddie rock music would not be so profitable for the record companies, and they'd stop inflicting it upon the world.

But surely all this kiddie pop rock will pave the way for proper rock.

Originally Posted by Shaun

But surely all this kiddie pop rock will pave the way for proper rock.

If anything, 'good' rock will no longer be 'pop'.

My only criticism of Muse is that their songs are too short. I'd like to hear them knock out some 15 minute epics (In the way that Tool do).

Given what i've read about the recording process of their latest albumn, at one point it would have been full of 9 minute long songs all about the end of the world, as Matt Bellamy was getting very pessimistic about the current world situation at one point. So not very cheery, im glad we ended up with the album we have, and songs like Knights of Cydonia are plenty epic enough for me.

I know there are others bands than Muse, they are just a very very god example that rock is not dead, and of a band that can challenge itself, experiment and produce an outstanding albumn as a result.

Rock never died! it just took a step into the background but its got fed up with the dark so its coming back into the light now an i mean proper rock music not some of that stuff those crap emo bands put out or Busted or what not. Plus you find now that loads of young people are going out an buying albums by the likes of Guns n Roses, Motely Crue an so on are geting into that now plus you have maybe not a huge number but there are now new bands coming up which are playing an creating real rock music. Its just they need to get a break now an i think you will se the rock scene explode again if a couple of them do get a good break

Muse while not my favourite band do do some cool stuff its different an thats pretty cool. But along with Muse there are other bands that could be very important. Buckcherry i think could be one band that could create a spark thats needed. Im positive Crashdiet would of but Dave Lepard there lead singer died an i dont know what way they will come back from that if at all. Crashdiet where the first proper rock band to be signed straight up by a major label in 10 years i think it was.

But rock for sure isnt dead it might of been playing dead for awhile but its getting ready to explode again. Just when that will be is impossible to say might be tomorrow! or it might be 2,3,4,5 years down the line but it wont be very long

well, it depends on your taste really. to me, tool and muse and complete and utter crap. i think we owe a thanks to the strokes for bringing back in the years of '00-'01 what everybody thinks modern rock is. to me all rock is dead save a few bands. well, not only that, but my interest in rock is gone. i'm always looking for the better & heavier sound; to which rock alone is limited, in that if you play it faster and heavier, you get metal. and i mean, what i listen to is ofcourse evolved from the roots of rock, but simple 'rock' is dated in my opinion.

Originally Posted by victor.

well, it depends on your taste really. to me, tool and muse and complete and utter crap. i think we owe a thanks to the strokes for bringing back in the years of '00-'01 what everybody thinks modern rock is. to me all rock is dead save a few bands. well, not only that, but my interest in rock is gone. i'm always looking for the better & heavier sound; to which rock alone is limited, in that if you play it faster and heavier, you get metal. and i mean, what i listen to is ofcourse evolved from the roots of rock, but simple 'rock' is dated in my opinion.

Well, each to their own. There is, as they say, no accounting for taste.
I totally disagree about owing the strokes anything. They are/were a mediocre band that haven't contributed much to rock music at all IMO.
So what sort of stuff do you listen too then? Black/death metal?

Shoe-Gazing Rhah? Surely we need more Shoe-Gazing these days... There was never enough back when it started *Puts on some My Bloody Valentine*

Rock is just evolving. It's human nature to look back at the past with jealous eyes. Back in the day everyone was ****** off at all the Grunge bands, now everyone can't get enough of them. I mean, I'd say there's alot of flash in the pan bands right now, but there is still those willing to innovate: Muse, Audioslave, Tool etc. The thing is, most of the mainstream music iscrap. I'm always getting ****** off with my mates who dont really listen to anything not on the Radio, but I just ignore it and put on my decent music!

We need some more big rock personalities though. We're having to milk Axl Rose for all its worth right now for a bit of ego It's all good though, with bands like the SPumpkins, Queens of the Stone age, Audioslave etc, all bringing a bit of 90s alternative back into the picture (honestly it had a premature death ) with their big personalities and slightly better abilities. OK my arguement is loosing strength now, and I seem to be contridicting myself...I know what I mean though