AI in ATW

[Maced0n]

Is AI in ATW smarter than BI,or .........

[kburkert]

Yes the AI is smarter but still could be improved.

[Panama Red 51]

kburkert:
And what do you base your statement on of the ATW AI being "smarter" than the BI AI ???

[Sommo James]

It would be more realistic for Alexander to have a worst AI than in BI, because eastern general were very pour general, they counted only on numbers, they don't even know the importance of the height of the terrain in battle.

[mike007]

IMO its worse. the suiced general is back with vengance!

Also haveing an army of pikmen and an idot enemy general dosnt make for a very hard game././ if it wasnt for stack after stack of persian units, this game would be a push over

[The_Dark_Legion]

IMO its worse. the suiced general is back with vengance!

Also haveing an army of pikmen and an idot enemy general dosnt make for a very hard game././ if it wasnt for stack after stack of persian units, this game would be a push over

what do you mean by suicide general?

[Ludens]

But despite these orders, assassins hoping for some extra booty or reward from Alexander bumped of Darius just before the young Macedonian king could track the Emperor down.

They weren't mere assassins. They were Narbazanes, Darius' cavalry commander, and Bessos, the King's own brother and satrap of Bactria. According the most sources, they wanted to trade the King with Alexander, hoping to gain time so they could raise a revolt against the Macedonian. In the end Bessos stabbed Darius, proclaimed himself king and heriocally fled for Alexander to his home satrapy of Bactria. By all accounts, he was even more of a failure then Darius, not even managing to raise an army. He was found in a small fortress surrounded by only a few slaves. Alexander had him tried before a Persian court, where he was condemned as a regicide and executed according to custom. Narbazanes may or may not have participated in the killing, but apparently he also lost faith in the Persian cause. Instead of fleeing with Bessos, he surrendered to Alexander in exchange for pardon.

Incidentally, Darius wasn't such a bad strategist as you make him out to be. His tactics at Gaugemela were quite sensible: his army was arrayed to pin and envelop the Makedonians, which is exactly what he should have done. He also made them stay up at night, because being heavily outnumbered Alexander would probably resort to trickery. However, he was up against a military genius who anticipated his actions, and his army simply wasn't flexible or trianed enough to respond to Alexander's tactics. But you are right that his main problem was his cowardice: he should have been more proactive; and he fled whenever his own life was on the line.

[Ludens]

His name was Memnon, and he was responsible for keeping Alexander occupied in Asia Minor while Darius gathered an army after the defeat at Granicos. You are right that he was the Persian's best strategist, but IIRC he died of fever shortly before or after the battle at Issos. However, there were still Persian-employed Greek troops present at Gaugemela, where they gave a good account of themselves, and there were still Greek mercenaries with Darius while his army was deserting him and his brother and cavalry commander were plotting a coup (though this was probably more out of hatred and/or fear of Alexander than from any loyalty to the Persian King). The Persians did realize the value of Greeks, they just didn't want to be commanded by them.

[Ludens]

He did? Which town was that? I seem to recall that Alexander only ever sacked three cities: Thebes, Tyre and Persepolis (o'course, this isn't counting the cities he met after he left Persis). Certainly, sacking a Greek town would have been a very bad idea at this point: the cities of the Greek main land only grudgingly accepted the Macedonian hegemonia. The same thing goes for the massacre of the Greek mercenaries: I find it rather hard to credit that they went on fighting for a King that had them killed for his own failure.

I am not saying it isn't true, just that I'd like to see some sources before I believe it.

[Ludens]

Thanks for the clarification. Yes, Alexander seems to have been capable of both strong compassion and ruthless vindictiveness. However, this image may well be caused by the lens through which we view his life. Those who write his history either sought to idolize him or to demonize him. Between these two it is no wonder he appears paradoxical to us.

Incidentally, Alexander married only one Afghan girl, the redoubtable Roxanne, from whom IIRC his only known child was born. He also married a daughter of Darius, but she was poisoned just after he died. I am not quite sure what happened to Roxanne or her child, though. IIRC she was killed by Cassander, but whether the child died with her I do not know.

There was another supposed son, Alexander the fourth, a short-lived claimant during the war of succession. He was conceived with Barsine, the widow of Memnon of all people, just after Memnon had died. However, we don't hear of such a child existing until several years after Alexander's death, so the truth of this story is questionable.

[xj900uk]

kamikaze-style general who charges head on into a forest of spears/sarissa's

[Professor420]

Well since the mods are unable to act (because its not against the ToS), I will post this here:

Just so you all know, xj900uk plagiarized the entirety of many posts in this thread from Wikipedia and several other internet sources (such as http://www.crystalinks.com/alexanderthegreat.html ), without citing them or crediting them. I was about to give him rep for the post, but then decided to google a random line or two. Every objective/fact line I've checked has come word for word from different internet sources.

While he may, or may not be, learned in Hellenic culture and civilization, what he did is called plagiarism. And when you make an extensive, objective, cited, and unformatted post, expect that someone will call you on it. Such rampant plagiarism, and passing it off as your own writing and information, is between irresponsibility and straight up lying. I suggest editing your post with mention of your sources, or simply ask a moderator to remove it.

[jaklei]

firstly, your way off topic


Secondly....hmm... the AW ai is far better than BI (atleast the rebel AI) and i would call the alexander expansion AI a little bit like ROME total wars, maybe slightly worse and both of thoose 2 AI's is depending on bonuses to give the player a chance

[Hader]

'Plagarism'-under discussion with staff, posts removed for now