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    Default Another day in Afghanistan, another day spent supporting the wrong side by NATO

    Afghanistan's largest private bank, Kabul Bank, run with the help of American advisors, was long promoted to Afghans (many of whom had never come across a bank before) by American officials as a safe, modern place to store one's savings. Instead the bank has now been found to have been a front to smuggle depositor's money out of the country and pay for the lavish lifestyles of a clique tied to President Hamid Karzai's government, including Karzai's brother.

    Kabul Bank 'diverted £540 million to group of 12 in massive fraud'

    Afghanistan's biggest private bank was a massive fraud scheme from its founding, with £540 million ($861 million) diverted to a clique of beneficiaries including the president's brother, a British-funded audit has found.
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ive-fraud.html

    Audit Says Kabul Bank Began as ‘Ponzi Scheme’
    KABUL, Afghanistan — Kabul Bank became Afghanistan’s largest financial institution by offering the promise of modern banking to people who had never had a saving or checking account. What it really dealt in was modern theft: “From its very beginning,” according to a confidential forensic audit of Kabul Bank, “the bank was a well-concealed Ponzi scheme.”

    Afghan and American officials had for years promoted Kabul Bank as a prime example of how Western-style banking was transforming a war-ravaged economy. But the audit, prepared this year for Afghanistan’s central bank by the Kroll investigative firm, gives new details of how the bank instead was institutionalizing fraud that reached into the hundreds of millions of dollars and obliterated Afghans’ trust after regulators finally seized the bank in August 2010 and the theft was revealed.

    Going further than previous reports, the audit asserts that Kabul Bank had little reason to exist other than to allow a narrow clique tied to President Hamid Karzai’s government to siphon riches from depositors, who were the bank’s only substantial source of revenue.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/27/wo...pagewanted=all

    Nearly $900M Kabul Bank fraud reportedly included smuggling money out on airline food trays

    Hundreds of millions of dollars from Kabul Bank were spirited out of Afghanistan -- some smuggled in airline food trays -- to bank accounts in more than two dozen countries, according to an independent review released on Wednesday about massive fraud that led to the collapse of the nation's largest financial institution.
    http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/11...#ixzz2DYj2dvjl

    The Karzai government steals from the poor, are war profiteers, rig elections and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag without billions in aid and hundreds of thousands of Western troops.

    Give Afghan to the Afghans, not corrupt capitalist cronies. The Taleban, who rightfully ruled Afghanistan before the invasion, and who by surviving and growing despite 11 years of bombardment by the world's mightiest military powers have proven themselves to be a true grassroots movement, deserve their victory.
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    Welcome to money. There is a reason why every industrialized nation in the world has an anti-fraud office. Most have a staff in the hundreds, or even thousands.

    Is Karzai a royal ? Yes. Have we shown the inability to deal with him? Yes. But he isn't an idiot. He has insulated himself to the point he is untouchable by anything other than a bullet. Which if we were a country like Russia, we'd have employed by now.

    Familiar story. Someone will write a book and see that the biggest impediment to tangible progress in winning the Afghans was indeed, an Afghan.

    And it has taken me a long, long time to get to the point where I just do not care anymore. We have made significant progress in a number of key areas such as healthcare and in actually building an economy that has show double digit growth for around 8 years. So nobody deserves the Taliban given what they bring. But at this point, nobody deserves the Afghans either. So maybe they do deserve each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmouth View Post
    Familiar story. Someone will write a book and see that the biggest impediment to tangible progress in winning the Afghans was indeed, an Afghan.
    Quoted for ing truth.

    Except it should read 35 million Afghans, not an Afghan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmouth View Post
    Welcome to money. There is a reason why every industrialized nation in the world has an anti-fraud office. Most have a staff in the hundreds, or even thousands.
    As if fraud doesn't occur in industrialized nations on a much grander, industrialized scale. Cloud nine, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by YukonTrooper View Post
    As if fraud doesn't occur in industrialized nations on a much grander, industrialized scale. Cloud nine, man.
    You should look up the Corruption Perceptions Index, because you are totally you know, wrong, man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup View Post
    Give Afghan to the Afghans, not corrupt capitalist cronies. The Taleban, who rightfully ruled Afghanistan before the invasion, and who by surviving and growing despite 11 years of bombardment by the world's mightiest military powers have proven themselves to be a true grassroots movement, deserve their victory.
    See, here is where you fell off and into the crazy train.

    Afghans are represented by the Afghan government, one which just happens to be controlled by the Karzai family.

    The Taliban did not rightfully rule Afghanistan, they were supported by Pakistan to overthrow the government.

    The Taliban is not a "grassroots" movement, they are an armed terrorist group that has several provinces of Afghanistan held hostage.

    Under the Taliban, girls were not allowed to attend school (or most people anyways, girls entirely), music and dancing were outlawed, men were required to wear beards, hundreds of year old statues were destroyed because of Idolatry.

    The Taliban are little more than savages who rape and kill to vent their frustration of getting their asses beaten into the rocks by their much more skilled opponents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaytaninc View Post
    Under the Taliban, girls were not allowed to attend school (or most people anyways, girls entirely), music and dancing were outlawed, men were required to wear beards, hundreds of year old statues were destroyed because of Idolatry.

    The Taliban are little more than savages who rape and kill to vent their frustration of getting their asses beaten into the rocks by their much more skilled opponents.
    They are barbaric in many things, but the issue how much of Afghans support Taliban over Karazai's weak and corrupt government? Saudi Arabia is also barbaric in certain ways, maybe not as extreme as Taliban, but also rather extreme, yet it's a fully functioning state that enjoys warm relations with the US.
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    And US military, the military organization that has highest spending and generally regards the best in the world, cannot defeat Taliban.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    And US military, the military organization that has highest spending and generally regards the best in the world, cannot defeat Taliban.
    It's just a bit more difficult when your enemy is the type that doesn't have ROE, another two governments and two populaces to please, and an entire world scrutinizing every little action with one false step making them "imperialist scum".
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    It's hilarious when HoulaHoup puts on display his complete and utter lack of knowledge about Afghanistan, America, war, spelling, or anything involving reality with "special needs" posts and threads such as these. And there is hell-"I make up the facts"-heaven to the rescue spouting bigoted nonsense again. What, no smiley face this time?
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    You mad about the failure of US military, my friend?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    You mad about the failure of US military, my friend?
    You mad that China is militarily and economically inferior to those whom you deem "failures"? Must be the source of your butt-hurt and anti-US rants.
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    11 years we, the West, have spent fighting in Afghanistan. Let's put an end to this. Switch sides. Start arming the Taleban. Turn our guns on Karzai. Taleban shadow councils all over the country will rise up to take over governance. The holy warriors will sweep into Kabul to cheering crowds lining the streets. This war will be finished within a month and our boys can go home victorious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup View Post
    11 years we, the West, have spent fighting in Afghanistan. Let's put an end to this. Switch sides. Start arming the Taleban. Turn our guns on Karzai. Taleban shadow councils all over the country will rise up to take over governance. The holy warriors will sweep into Kabul to cheering crowds lining the streets. This war will be finished within a month and our boys can go home victorious.
    ...


    How about no.


    No one in the US government would comply with such an order. At least no one who is sane.

    This has to be one of the crazier threads that I have seen in a while.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup View Post
    The Karzai government steals from the poor, are war profiteers, rig elections and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag without billions in aid and hundreds of thousands of Western troops.

    Give Afghan to the Afghans, not corrupt capitalist cronies. The Taleban, who rightfully ruled Afghanistan before the invasion, and who by surviving and growing despite 11 years of bombardment by the world's mightiest military powers have proven themselves to be a true grassroots movement, deserve their victory.
    So you really think a bit of corruption is worse than brutal oppression? The Taleban are fundamentalist nutjobs who are even more corrupt. Afghanistan currently has a police force capable of keeping a small amount of order: under the Taleban, Sharia law means that 'justice' is pretty much served by mutilating women and shooting men accused of a crime by anyone with influence. The Taleban and their network are one of the world's main producers of heroin and hash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup View Post
    Give Afghan to the Afghans, not corrupt capitalist cronies. The Taleban, who rightfully ruled Afghanistan before the invasion, and who by surviving and growing despite 11 years of bombardment by the world's mightiest military powers have proven themselves to be a true grassroots movement, deserve their victory.
    Rightfully? Wow, what an absolutely idiotic comment.

    Please do elaborate on this as I need my morning entertainment.
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    There's corruption in Afghanistan so let's support the "taleban"...flawless logic.

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    Reminds me when I got to Turkmenistan. Couldn't use the banks or the ATMs because the banks stole money from people like it was cool. Corruption is endemic to Central Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HoulaHoup View Post
    The Karzai government steals from the poor, are war profiteers, rig elections and couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag without billions in aid and hundreds of thousands of Western troops.

    Give Afghan to the Afghans, not corrupt capitalist cronies. The Taleban, who rightfully ruled Afghanistan before the invasion, and who by surviving and growing despite 11 years of bombardment by the world's mightiest military powers have proven themselves to be a true grassroots movement, deserve their victory.
    Wrong, the Taleban are not a 'grass roots movement' they are blood thirsty psychos, religious fanatics, tribal rivals, foreign backed insurgents (thank you so much Pakistan), bandits etc etc, under a catch all banner.

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    This thread sucks. I was hoping for something informative.

    So, happy Thursday.

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