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Haiti is an emergent faction, but we need a roster for that faction:

Units will be based essentially on French Revolutionnary units.

Wangrin post

Two books about Haïtian uprising : The Haitian Revolution: 1789-1804, by Thomas O. Ott : sadly, it is not possible to read it through google book anymore. Haitian Revolutionary Studies, by David Patrick Geggus About Haitian roster, are you sure that the National Guard is a guard unit and not a provincial unit ? French National Guard was not a guard unit, but a provincial unit and a political army. Paris's National Guard was an "elite" corps, but not a guard unit compare to the "Gardes Françaises" for instance. Did Haitian use "conscription" ? I'm not sure about Haitian dragoons but they should certainly have a cavalry unit (light or between light and line cavalry). Provincial units represent the 2 social class : mulattoes (mulattoes infantry) and black (ex-slave) Irregular units could be : mawon (nèg marron, ex-slave who had evaded and regroup in community in unaccessible land) slave rebel bands "white militia" available to all but not Haitian An other interesting quote : 1799 campaign (Toussaint vs Rigaud) But this is not the place to discuss about, this is the "Imperial Splendour 2.2.1b Dev Diary" thread, not suggestion thread nor "Haiti - gameplay discussion" one

162eRI post

This is not a Napoleon uniform, but a French republic uniform. Haiti was part of the French colonies and was called Saint Domingue. With the French revolution, there were revolts in Haiti and the black gain independence. They were wearing French uniforms because many used to be part of the French colonial army and others captured this uniforms on the defeated French army sent to recapture the island. ;-) Cheers Haiti - Late Period Regular army: Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Grenadier of the National Guard Enlisted with round hat and red pompon, Haitian cockades; fully dress with French republican Grenadier uniform with red epaulettes, but with red turnbacks. Officer with bicorn, wig and red pompon, Haitian cockades; cuffs trimmed with gold lace, gold buttons and gold epaulettes. National Guard Enlisted with round hat and Haitian pompon, Haitian cockades; fully dress with French republican uniform but with red turnbacks. Officer with bicorn, and Haitian pompon, Haitian cockades; cuffs trimmed with gold lace, gold buttons and gold epaulettes. Line Infantry Enlisted with round hat or straw hat, possibly Haitian cockades; dress with French republican uniform but with red turnbacks, some with white turnbacks. No shoes. Doesn't have gaiters so they are wearing a pair of shorts, or trousers. Officer with bicorn, and Haitian pompon, Haitian cockades; cuffs trimmed with gold lace, gold buttons and gold epaulettes. Artillery Enlisted with straw hat or white headband. Blue coat, similar to the French artillery, two guns emblem on the inside turnbacks. No shoes. Officer with bicorn, with Haitian cockades; French artillery officer uniform. Foot Dragoons Enlisted with early type brass Dragoon helmet with possibly dragon pompon; Dress with French dragoon uniform, green coat with red turnbacks. No shoes. Officer with bicorn with Haitian cockades and dragon pompon; dress with French dragoon officer uniform... with shoes. Dragoons Enlisted with round hat with Haitian cockades and dragon pompon; Dress with French dragoon uniform, green coat with red turnbacks. Captured cavalry from Leclerc or white farmers. Officer with bicorn with Haitian cockades and dragon pompon; dress with French dragoon officer uniform. Captured cavalry from Leclerc or white farmers. Horse Guards and Horse Regiment Yet to find more information... But it has existed (Horse Guard as early as the 1800s for the president). They may have been a provincial cavalry, or light cavalry, whatever name we give it... (Dominican repulsed Haitian cavalry during the invasion) General and staff officers General wears a dark blue coat with red collar, cuffs (trimmed with gold lace), buttons and epaulettes; dark blue, gold-laced pantaloons; a bicorn hat with with Haitian cockades, Haitian plumes and sash. Staff officer has a dark blue coat with red collar and cuffs piped white, red piping in front, and gold buttons and epaulette; a bicorn hat with a red plume; dark blue, gold-laced pantaloons; and a white double-breasted waistcoat. Militia units: Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Militia (Marabou and Gens de couleur libre) Enlisted with straw hat, or no hat at all; dress with white shirt and white trousers or shorts, no shoes. Officer with bicorn, and Haitian pompon, Haitian cockades; with French republican uniform but with red turnbacks. Slaves Rebel Bands Enlisted with straw hat or no hat at all. Half nude with brown/white short or trousers. Some have white or black leathers (belt for pouch and sword). Some may have shirts. No shoes Officer with round hat with Haitian cockades. Dress with French republican uniform but with red turnbacks. Voodoo Fanatics Fanatics almost nude, wearing a pair of shorts or loincloth (pagne). No hat at all, or white headbands. No shoes. Parts of the body painted in white. "Hougan" Voodoo priest, no hat at all. Wearing a white shirt and white pair of shorts. No shoes. Facial paintings. Maroon (Mawon) No hat at all or just headband. Wearing a traditional pareo and/or loincloth (soft colours). No shoes. Mulâtre Militia Have a bicorn hat or just a straw hat. Dress and act as bourgeois-militia. Some are wearing poor French civilian uniforms, other simple white shirt and trouser. With shoes. Santo Domingo foreign infantry: Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Dominican Infantry Enlisted with round hat or straw hat, with Haitian cockades. Dress with red coat (Spanish uniform), dark blue cuffs, and white trousers or pair of shorts. No shoes Officer with bicorn, and Haitian pompon, Haitian cockades; cuffs trimmed with gold lace, gold buttons and gold epaulettes. Hispanico-créoles Militia Dress as bourgeois-militia from the eastern part of the Island. Source: http://books.google.ca/books?id=khU0...page&q&f=false Tech Tree

Rightnow we are working on the units of the faction for IS 2.2 extension.

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162eRI post

QUOTE=162eRI;12276467]Nice! I guess this unit is something like Line Infantry? First, the turnbacks should be red rather than white. But both could be nice! I would say, if it's possible, make them without shoes and gaiters and with short trousers. Is it possible to add some variety, like 2 different kind of short trousers (one normal but without the gaiters and a pair of shorts). White color for the trousers. Some variety with the head: some hat-less (with a white headband) and others with the straw hat. Officer will be dress like French republic officers. Battle of Saint Domingue, depicting Polish troops in French service against Haitian rebels Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Battle at "Snake Gully" in 1802 Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Battle of Vertières in 1803 Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Haitian rebels Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Toussaint L'Ouvertur, circa 1800. Note the round hat. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  1802, black general Maurepass surrendering to Leclerc. Note the stray hats and round hats and the black Dragoon without boots. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Black court martial, 1799. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Example of French colonial round hat (late 1780s and early 1790s) used by Haitian forces in French service and later by Haitian rebels. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  1802, a black general and a black staff officer. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  1802, battle between Leclerc (right) and Toussaint L'Ouverture (left). Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Ideas for elite regiment for Haiti (they can't keep revolutionary uniforms for decades xD) Free black fusilier of the National Guard, in French service, Martinique, 1802-1809. Using Osprey work for educational purposes. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  Saint-Domingue, 1792-1802. 1: Grenadier officer, Nat. Gd.; 1792 2: Officer, Colonial Demi-Bde., 1798-1802; 3: Private, Colonial Demi-Bde., 1802; 4: Private, Colonial Demi-Bde., 1800-02. All this men are in French service, and thus better equipped and following French army regulations. Using Osprey work for educational purposes. Spoiler Alert, click show to read:  I think you know this thread. Some interesting ideas http://www.twcenter.net/forums/showthread.php?t=401881 Nice work, cheers ;-)[/QUOTE]

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Name of the country: Hayti
Name of the army: Armée Indigène (Indigenous Army)