Is this over-powered

[Mendyed]

Hi, I find it quite weird that elvish archers are barley any better than others.

Do you think this is over powered?

Silvan Hvy Archer

17 Attack one (range) (as opposed to 12)
6 attack two (meele) (as opposed to 12)
10 defence (as opposed to 13)
cost 800 instead of 780


Do you think they are over powered? If so, What would you recommend?

Thanks!
Mendy

[Dwarven Berserker]

Archers are already overpowered in TATW, you don't need to increase stats for that

But if you like to make your archers stronger, by all means, go ahead. It's your game
Just play with it, and if you think they are to strong this way, just make them a bit weaker. Or make them even stronger, whatever you like

[Mendyed]

Oh, I never played with them, Maybe I won't touch it. Do I have to restart my campaign every time I make a change?


Thanks!

[Dwarven Berserker]

Changing unit stats is save-game compatible, so you won't have to start a new campaign

[Mendyed]

OH, great I didn't know that, Thanks!

So overall you wouldn't recommend me changing the current stats?

[Dwarven Berserker]

Well that's entirely up to you. I personally think elven archers are already incredibly powerful, so making them even stronger would probably make your battles really easy. On the other hand, If you have problems dealing with big armies the AI sends at you, or you just like your elves to be extra badass, go for it

[ElvenKind]

Turn my kind into MIDDLE EARTH GODS!

[Mendyed]

KK, I'm going to try to keep them the way it is, Thanks for the help dwarven(and elven?)

[Ngugi]

Yes, and I should had seen it already

KK, I'm going to try to keep them the way it is, Thanks for the help dwarven(and elven?)

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[SuljicDamir]

Look after a book ,Elf archers are the best . Ther weakness is cavalry ,with Isengard i crash elfs easy .. So good let them have more missile dmg and low def Elf are good in defending ther Homes Thats why they are best Archery !

[Altimis]

You must understand this, in the Middle-earth world Elves is immortal, with their immortality they lived for 6000 years already, they been in war with the evil since the very first age [Melkor himself] with 6000 years training and experienced in fighting war more than ordinary 70-80 years lifespan of human or orc. They never get old, never get illness and always healthy. Not like human age 60 and they are slowass, old sick, can't fight anymore.

What I want to explain is Elves are supposed to be superman due to their extremely long life and been training for 6000 years since First Age.

Lastly, they are few nowadays.

[Eönwë]

Aren't Orcs immortal too?

[muller227]

Aren't Orcs immortal too?

A very few!! likely are, most are not, again likely based on Tolkien's later writings of the subject. It is complicated and never clearly defined.

[SuljicDamir]

Aren't Orcs immortal too?

Ok first of all , Orcs are made for destruction . I think they are not immortal . You see only Elfs gote this gift all other may die . Melkorn have some immorlas as Sauron and Nazguls ,even the Balrogs Dragons bauks can die from age only they are gifted with long life like Dunedain .
2.Elf from Rivendell if Half Elf is old 6000+ and no one in Rivendell is so old . 95% of elf ther older population is dead.

Your units are good )

[muller227]

Ok first of all , Orcs are made for destruction . I think they are not immortal . You see only Elfs gote this gift all other may die . Melkorn have some immorlas as Sauron and Nazguls ,even the Balrogs Dragons bauks can die from age only they are gifted with long life like Dunedain .
2.Elf from Rivendell if Half Elf is old 6000+ and no one in Rivendell is so old . 95% of elf ther older population is dead.

Your units are good )

Half-Elf is an odd term in Tolkien, HalfElves are not a race or even a partial race. It is a staus of being before the choice is made too be either Elf or man. Elrond is named halfelven because of his illustrious heritage which includes extraordinary men, elves and maia. He is in all respects an Elf, and an extraordinary one at that. Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen are true half Elves as they live the life of the Eldar but their final choice has not been made. Arwen makes hers too be mortal. It is not clear what the brothers choose in my view.

Elves also are not immortal as we would think of it, they are bound to Arda and their spirits canno escape it as man's can. In fact human spirit is more truly immortal than Elven spirit as it is not bound. This is the gift of men that Elves are in fact jealous of. Elves cannot die in Arda but they can become virtually nothing, a horrible sort of living death I would imagine.

[SuljicDamir]

Half-Elf is an odd term in Tolkien, HalfElves are not a race or even a partial race. It is a staus of being before the choice is made too be either Elf or man. Elrond is named halfelven because of his illustrious heritage which includes extraordinary men, elves and maia. He is in all respects an Elf, and an extraordinary one at that. Elladan, Elrohir and Arwen are true half Elves as they live the life of the Eldar but their final choice has not been made. Arwen makes hers too be mortal. It is not clear what the brothers choose in my view.

Elves also are not immortal as we would think of it, they are bound to Arda and their spirits canno escape it as man's can. In fact human spirit is more truly immortal than Elven spirit as it is not bound. This is the gift of men that Elves are in fact jealous of. Elves cannot die in Arda but they can become virtually nothing, a horrible sort of living death I would imagine.

you did not read Silmarilion ???
Elrond is a HalfElf ,, Aragorn i a man gifed with long life called dunedain
Elrond brother have chosed to be a mortal ,instead of being Elf / Elros
Elfs are immortal both in midle eart and Arda ...

You need to read Sillmarilion if you did not .
The only reasone why Elfs go from Midlle:E is bc of Sauron and to much Evil , they love peace

[Altimis]

Aren't Orcs immortal too?

LMAO that would be a shocked face for me

I bet "NO" Orc not immortal, for them not create by those Valinor and blessed for immortal like Elves do. I think immortal is blessed by only the god power [Valinor] can't given by evil maybe.

[muller227]

LMAO that would be a shocked face for me

I bet "NO" Orc not immortal, for them not create by those Valinor and blessed for immortal like Elves do. I think immortal is blessed by only the god power [Valinor] can't given by evil maybe.

Those of Valinor cannot legitimately create life. Eru himself must sanction life born of the sacred fire. Meaning life that has immortal spirit. See the story of Aule and the Dwarves. We sinply do not no for sure about orcs, though a few things are certain. Some orcs were certainly immortal, the Boldog types who were in origin of the angelic maia. Orcs formed of Elven corruption early on would also likely be immortal, the mode of life comes from Eru not from Morgoth or any Vala. Even Morgoth at his greatest could not be but a weak shadow of Eru, and change the nature of life. The bulk of orcs though seem to have bred from men, the intermingling with other types would have bred the immortal nature out of them.

[Eönwë]

Could you explain more?
If they are mutilated (captured by Morgoth) Elves than they are immortal? I never read of an Orc dying of old age?

[Ngugi]

Simple answer: no
Advanced answer: since we do not even know the origin of the Orcs (Tolkien never came up with one defined theory but tossed it to and fro and and had many theories). We know both that some could became as old as least Dwarves and direct statements they didn't grow older than Men, as well as considerations of Elf-strains, Mortal heritage, heritage from beasts and maiar in Orc bodies - so it's messy