New Chinese passport causes an uproar among the neighbors of China

[hellheaven1987]

A fresh row has broken out between India and China over territorial claims in the north-eastern Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh and the Aksai Chin area in eastern Kashmir.

In new passports, China's maps show the two areas as Chinese territory.

The Indian embassy in Beijing is said to have retaliated by stamping Chinese visas with a map of their own which shows the territories in India.

Several of China's neighbours have also protested against the new map.

Vietnam, the Philippines, and Taiwan have all objected because it shows disputed islands in the South China Sea and Taiwan to be a part of China.

They have described the new design as a violation of their sovereignty.

Chinese official maps have long shown Taiwan and the South China Sea to be part of its own territory, but the inclusion of such claims on the passport has caused considerable anger.

The potentially oil-rich Paracel Islands, claimed by Vietnam since their troops were forced to leave by China in the 1970s and also claimed by Taiwan, make an appearance on the map, as do the Spratly Islands, part of which are claimed by the Philippines.

The disputed Senkaku or Diaoyu islands, at the centre of recent tension between China and Japan are not included in the new document.

Relations between India and China have been uneasy - the two countries dispute several Himalayan border areas and fought a brief war in 1962.

Delhi is yet to officially take up the row over the map with Beijing.

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A retarded move obviously, consider US' aggressive pursue of an anti-Sino bloc in Asia, Beijing government simply aids US by throwing out this type of dumb moves and then question why every neighbor of China dislike and distrust China.

Stupid CCP.

[flyingcat]

Well,as a 18-year-old Chinese university freshman,I feel ashamed....

How could some of our officials be so "FOOLISH"?..It doesn't help to solve the problem,just to get it worse.

Anyway,I think we Chinese is not a warlike people,however,in these years,narrow(poor English,Idon't know how to say)NATIONALISM is getting more popular.In every domestic forum,you can see some angry people shouting"Beat XIAORIBEN(small and weak Japanese)down!""Oppose those western invaders!"

Ahhhh,perhaps I'm too emotional,but I hate some of my unrational net fellows.

[torongill]

Well,as a 18-year-old Chinese university freshman,I feel ashamed....

How could some of our officials be so "FOOLISH"?..It doesn't help to solve the problem,just to get it worse.

Anyway,I think we Chinese is not a warlike people,however,in these years,narrow(poor English,Idon't know how to say)NATIONALISM is getting more popular.In every domestic forum,you can see some angry people shouting"Beat XIAORIBEN(small and weak Japanese)down!""Oppose those western invaders!"

Ahhhh,perhaps I'm too emotional,but I hate some of my unrational net fellows.

I think the word you need is "short-sighted" or maybe "tunnel-vision"
Nationalism and chauvinism are always easy to accomplish. They give ignorant/uninformed people something to be proud of, especially if they have nothing else to be proud of.

P.S. Col. Tartleton, I like your new sig. However to reflect today's reality, please substitute the word "before" with the word "with". That'd be all.

[Col. Tartleton]

China is everything East of the Caspian Sea and West of the Pacific Ocean, South of the Arctic Ocean and North of Singapore.

Right?

You know, all the people with the slanted eyes.

[flyingcat]

China is everything East of the Caspian Sea and West of the Pacific Ocean, South of Lake Baikal and North of Singapore.

Right?

No,very few people care about that.
Even I'm good at history(compared to my fellows),I agree that today China's territory is large enough.If there still remains something imperfect,that is the border with Russia and Mongol.

I have travelled around some western forums available to Chinese net-explorers,and I find much prejudice and arrogance.I recognize it,and I'm sad.China,at lease most Chinese people are not so warlike.

Anyway,I love total war games.

[Col. Tartleton]

No,very few people care about that.
Even I'm good at history(compared to my fellows),I agree that today China's territory is large enough.If there still remains something imperfect,that is the border with Russia and Mongol.

I know, I was joking.

You guys are chill. I met some real Chinese girls in my college classes last year. While we're paranoid about Chinese supremacy, I've yet to see any evidence. They were as clueless as any American girl and I had to do everything for them.

Groupwork:

"What do you think about ____?"
" it Lucy Liu, I'm just going to write everything and get myself a passing grade since you have no idea what to do. Sit quietly and be cute or something. Why the hell is your keyboard in Chinese? This is my nightmare."

(I was slightly more diplomatic in person admittedly.)

I have travelled around some western forums available to Chinese net-explorers,and I find much prejudice and arrogance.I recognize it,and I'm sad.China,at lease most Chinese people are not so warlike.

Everyone knows the Chinese are peaceful. You don't like war and frankly you're not even good at it.

That's why the only reason some Americans are playing up the Yellow Peril is that it's good politics to blue collar swing voters who are sick of losing jobs to the far more needy people in China. Not that faith in the markets helps them sleep at night. Working class people never had much faith in the market anyway.

Just note that we did the new Red Dawn about North Korea taking over the US, which is ridiculous, because a war with China is too offensive to the Chinese consumer vs North Korea, a country that can't even sustain itself taking over the most powerful nation in the history of the world. That's how much we like your money.

We want China to succeed. It's lucrative.

[flyingcat]

I know, I was joking.

You guys are chill. I met some real Chinese girls in my college classes last year. While we're paranoid about Chinese supremacy, I've yet to see any evidence. They were as clueless as any American girl and I had to do everything for them.

Groupwork:

"What do you think about ____?"
" it Lucy Liu, I'm just going to write everything and get myself a passing grade since you have no idea what to do. Sit quietly and be cute or something. Why the hell is your keyboard in Chinese? This is my nightmare."

It's more about education I think.Most Chinese students,including me,are taught to work hard and compete with fellows,but only in test scores.Moreover,girls are spoiled in China because there are more than 30,000,000 men that can't find wives.(It's Chinese culture,more boys than girls.Nowadays 117:100)

...I have to say that you are so frank...Chinese armies usually rely on numbers rather than courage and discipline.BUT,I don't think it's lucrative for you if China succeeds.Are you joking again?

[Col. Tartleton]

It's more about education I think.Most Chinese students,including me,are taught to work hard and compete with fellows,but only in test scores.Moreover,girls are spoiled in China because there are more than 30,000,000 men that can't find wives.(It's Chinese culture,more boys than girls.Nowadays 117:100)

I guess that's a possibility. Or she was just intimidated. Stranger in a strange land and all that (or I'm a giant barbarian). I just expected her to be the one trying to take charge because I'm normally such a slacker American stereotype and she's a straight off the boat (airplane?) Chinese.

...I have to say that you are so frank...Chinese armies usually rely on numbers rather than courage and discipline.BUT,I don't think it's lucrative for you if China succeeds.Are you joking again?

Frank is good. At least that's been my stance.

I'm not saying the Chinese aren't brave or disciplined. It's just that you get mauled by absolutely everyone you fight against including yourselves. It's not a lack of backbone. I'm not really sure what it is.

What's China's end game from the position of a Chinese citizen to an American? Why should we be worried?

[Shams al-Ma'rifa]

Everyone knows the Chinese are peaceful. You don't like war and frankly you're not even good at it.

Lol wut???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

[Menelik_I]

Lol wut???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

Writing about War is not the same thing are being good at war.

[Col. Tartleton]

Lol wut???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Art_of_War

The Art of War, like any strategic guidebook still requires the commander to make observations and decisions. The Art of War is simply a list of things to keep in mind. It helps guide your decision making into an analytic and rational manner.

The Chinese aren't better at this than other people.

Sun Tzu was Chinese. Clausewitz was Prussian.

I'll bet on the Prussian. Clauswitz gives you Moltke.

Sun Tzu's faction Wu defeated Chu but it was defeated handily by Qin.

Prussia dominated the 18-19th Century with the exception of the Napoleonic era where they were in a slump and France got it's act together under Napoleon. Prussia still defeated France though. Waterloo and all that. Not that the British will ever admit it was Germany who defeated France.

[Solemn Bystander (+)]

A retarded move obviously, consider US' aggressive pursue of an anti-Sino bloc in Asia, Beijing government simply aids US by throwing out this type of dumb moves and then question why every neighbor of China dislike and distrust China.

Stupid CCP.

I couldn't agree more.

What does China believe to achieve here?

I have a high opinion of China and Chinese culture - the Tang-era being in some/many ways, imho, a Golden Era of human culture.

But trying to bully all their neighbours is at the same time stupid and also insolent.

I have to say that China acts very stupid at the moment - regarding their foreign policy.

Instead of trying to make friends/allies in the region (and forsaking the total control of some natural resources), they are behaving 'like a bull in a china shop'.

Good, mutual beneficial treaties - for the good of China and eg. Vietnam, Phillipines... - could give China (and/or Chinese companies) access to these resources, and at the same time China could establish strategic alliances.

But no: China behaves like a stupid drunk!


PS: I'd like to hear an Chinese opinion on this matter!

[flyingcat]

I couldn't agree more.

What does China believe to achieve here?

I have a high opinion of China and Chinese culture - the Tang-era being in some/many ways, imho, a Golden Era of human culture.

But trying to bully all their neighbours is at the same time stupid and also insolent.

I have to say that China acts very stupid at the moment - regarding their foreign policy.

Instead of trying to make friends/allies in the region (and forsaking the total control of some natural resources), they are behaving 'like a bull in a china shop'.

Good, mutual beneficial treaties - for the good of China and eg. Vietnam, Phillipines... - could give China (and/or Chinese companies) access to these resources, and at the same time China could establish strategic alliances.

But no: China behaves like a stupid drunk!


PS: I'd like to hear an Chinese opinion on this matter!

Haha,there're hardly chances for me to participate in(my poor English- -!!!!!!).So my ardour is high now.
Glad to hear positive comments on Chinese culture~~

More hours passed,and I'm able to say it clearer.

Currently,this piece of news is reported in China,but not publicly concerned.There are many news about New Premier Li's reports and a corrupted official in Chongqing(Unlike Bo,just a small official.)Thanks to Internet,God's present,corruption is revealed here and there on the Internet.

CCP's official media just reported the situation,but hasn't give comments yet.A Bit Strange.But I think tomorrow's news will include that "South China Sea is China's legal************,and it's legal to *******" Dull to repeat it again.

Well,if you truly want to know some REAL ideas in China,you would perhaps be disappointed(Many people are just fooled by media).But I'd say some points:
1、Territorial Disputes with India,never concerned and reported since I was born(1994).
2、Diaoyu Islands(Senkaku),I suggest that Above 90% Chinese(Including Taiwanese) will think that they are China's Islands.
3、South China Sea,most Chinese just laugh because they think Vietnam and Philippine are too weak to withstand China's military power.Few people really concern this problem.

Chinese diplomacy(sigh),long regarded as weak,ineffectual and ridiculous in China,always makes foolish deeds and comments.It is better to be laughed at,rather than be thought about seriously.However,We do admire Premier Zhou's diplomacy(1949-1976).
Unlike Western cultures,a politician who dare to sede China's territory is considered guilty by most Chinese.
If He never claim this land,it would be nice and ok. Once he has claimed that these lands are ours,then he would never give them up,even by jolly good treaties.
I'm reading Edward Gibbon's History of Decline and Fall,and I think many Chinese behave like 4th-century Christians,notwithstanding their internal discords,they unit against any other country.Especially U.S.A and Japan.

Personally,I think my country should make peace with these countries and leave these problems unsolved.
They're doing a good job in developing,and they could do much better if they spend more resources on battling corruption.
Many westerners may think China is getting worse and more unstable,haha,just falling from the heaven.The best period since 1840.

Just now I've asked my parents and several classmates.My friends..don't care about that....

My father thinks that it is stupid,the same as me.My mother is still making chicken soup.Tasty!

[hellheaven1987]

Currently,this piece of news is reported in China,but not publicly concerned.

In Taiwan President Ma actually commented China should stop destabilizing the current relation between Taiwan and China; it also seems that there is a media uproar about this event in India currently.

Stupid China, pushing Taiwan away while making India your enemy...

[Solemn Bystander (+)]

Haha,there're hardly chances for me to participate in(my poor English- -!!!!!!).So my ardour is high now.
Glad to hear positive comments on Chinese culture~~

Your English is quite good. At least I understand what you say.
And yes, I like Chinese culture very much. As for history I really like the Tang-era.

And in more modern terms: I very much like some of the movies coming from Taiwan, HK and also mainland-China. They are more sensible, so to say, than western movies, which are often loud and rash - although some Frensh or German movies can also be somewhat 'slow' and 'quite'.

And also the 'populistic' and mainstream chinese action-kung-fu movies make for good entertainment. I quite liked "Tiger and Dragon" (with the cute Zhang Ziyi).

And, if I may add, Japanes movies are also very good. I'm not sure if you are a nationalist, but whatever. Also Japanese movies are very good, and I also like the Japanese culture.

But I'm getting of track...

More hours passed,and I'm able to say it clearer.

Currently,this piece of news is reported in China,but not publicly concerned.There are many news about New Premier Li's reports and a corrupted official in Chongqing(Unlike Bo,just a small official.)Thanks to Internet,God's present,corruption is revealed here and there on the Internet.

As far as I know corruption in the Chinese KP is widespread. But at least you aren't as bad of as Russia. But I guess there are many people being tortured in Chinese prisons atm?!

CCP's official media just reported the situation,but hasn't give comments yet.A Bit Strange.But I think tomorrow's news will include that "South China Sea is China's legal************,and it's legal to *******" Dull to repeat it again.

I guess CCTV is not worth considering.

Well,if you truly want to know some REAL ideas in China,you would perhaps be disappointed(Many people are just fooled by media).But I'd say some points:
1、Territorial Disputes with India,never concerned and reported since I was born(1994).
2、Diaoyu Islands(Senkaku),I suggest that Above 90% Chinese(Including Taiwanese) will think that they are China's Islands.
3、South China Sea,most Chinese just laugh because they think Vietnam and Philippine are too weak to withstand China's military power.Few people really concern this problem.

To be honest... regarding (2.): I believe Taiwan has a point there. Why should these islands belong to Japan? On the other side, I think it would be better to somehow share these islands... But - unlike in Europe / the EU (after many, many wars from the 15th century onwards) - in Asia nations are still hostile towards eachother.

But that issue will be settled peacefully... neither China, Vietnam, Japan, etc. wan't a war... they all want and need good economic relations.

Chinese diplomacy(sigh),long regarded as weak,ineffectual and ridiculous in China,always makes foolish deeds and comments.It is better to be laughed at,rather than be thought about seriously.However,We do admire Premier Zhou's diplomacy(1949-1976).
Unlike Western cultures,a politician who dare to sede China's territory is considered guilty by most Chinese.
If He never claim this land,it would be nice and ok. Once he has claimed that these lands are ours,then he would never give them up,even by jolly good treaties.
I'm reading Edward Gibbon's History of Decline and Fall,and I think many Chinese behave like 4th-century Christians,notwithstanding their internal discords,they unit against any other country.Especially U.S.A and Japan.

Perhaps China is still learnig foreing politics.

Speaking for Europe, we in the past, didn't care for other countries and did what we wanted (if possible).
Eg. the 'Opium Wars' by Britan, disregarding Chinese sovereignty, and delivering opium en mass to China to make a monetary profit - despite millions of Chinese suffering from the drug. We didn't care!
Or European nations enslaving African people, and/or behaving like the idiots we were (in Africa, India and partially China).
Europe has a very long history of being 'evil'. And yet Europe somehow managed to make democracy happen. I don't think it's an European deed, but more an coincidence... "Even a blind hen finds a grain".

Personally,I think my country should make peace with these countries and leave these problems unsolved.
They're doing a good job in developing,and they could do much better if they spend more resources on battling corruption.
Many westerners may think China is getting worse and more unstable,haha,just falling from the heaven.The best period since 1840.

No true. At least in Germany, many people believe China is at it's best since the 16th century. But the believe is also, that China and it's economy is fragile.
Not because of it's industrial power (which is simply very good), but because the communist party (KP) could loose controll, if the Chinese growth slows and the rural/worker/political demonstrations and riots encrease.

[flyingcat]

To be honest... regarding (2.): I believe Taiwan has a point there. Why should these islands belong to Japan? On the other side, I think it would be better to somehow share these islands... But - unlike in Europe / the EU (after many, many wars from the 15th century onwards) - in Asia nations are still hostile towards eachother.

But that issue will be settled peacefully... neither China, Vietnam, Japan, etc. wan't a war... they all want and need good economic relations.

Perhaps China is still learnig foreing politics.

No true. At least in Germany, many people believe China is at it's best since the 16th century. But the believe is also, that China and it's economy is fragile.
Not because of it's industrial power (which is simply very good), but because the communist party (KP) could loose controll, if the Chinese growth slows and the rural/worker/political demonstrations and riots encrease.

Very interesting points which are not allowed to be spread or heard in China.I have read Times for a year,so
I may know a little about it.

I misunderstood your meaning so that I have to rewrite.

Diaoyu Islands(Senkaku).Let it be.Some people who are not satisfied with their lives always find something to hate,eg.Japan.
It's a political show I think,both for China and Japan.I once cared about it,but now I don't.
An island with no inhabitants.China's claims seem weak,but Japan's claims don't seem strong,either.
If you view from the map,it's much closer to Taiwan.That's perhaps why many people think like that.
I favour your idea.

I know it'll be hard to make East Asia united.But why so hostile?I truly hope some of these islands can become Asian's Alsace-Lorraine(not war,just to help countries unit)

Chinese economy is weak and fragile,and it is widely known in China itself.But the fact that millions of people are hardworking and looking forward to future makes me hard to imagine such a growing nation would fall so easily.Perhaps it would,but I never expect it.

Torture?I don't know,maybe in some rural areas.Sometimes the media reports such circumstance,but not so many people.

As I'm an inexperienced teenager,my view could be puerile and naive.Anyway,I'm surely not a nationalist but I love my country.

P.S:Nowadays Chinese teenagers in big cities are more addicted to Western cultures than a Eastern one.

[Solemn Bystander (+)]

Very interesting points which are not allowed to be spread or heard in China.I have read Times for a year,so
I may know a little about it.

I misunderstood your meaning so that I have to rewrite.

Diaoyu Islands(Senkaku).Let it be.Some people who are not satisfied with their lives always find something to hate,eg.Japan.

From a chinese point of view I can understand a bad view towards Japan. They never actually/really apologized for the Nanking Massacre, in which ~ 600.000 Chinese were murdered! Or for attacking and killing and murdering many more Chinese. More so, some of their politicians worships the generals that murdered innocent Chinese during the 2WW. I really don't understand why Japanese politiciancs do that - it's simply wrong.

It's a political show I think,both for China and Japan.I once cared about it,but now I don't.
An island with no inhabitants.China's claims seem weak,but Japan's claims don't seem strong,either.
If you view from the map,it's much closer to Taiwan.That's perhaps why many people think like that.
I favour your idea

It simply looks like, that Taiwan is nearst to the islands. But really, I also don't care. But only because it's so far away from where I live.

I know it'll be hard to make East Asia united.But why so hostile?I truly hope some of these islands can become Asian's Alsace-Lorraine(not war,just to help countries unit)

If possilbe OK. But at the moment China is doing verything to bully Vietnam, the Philipines etc... China is behaving very incautious, not to say dumb.

Chinese economy is weak and fragile,and it is widely known in China itself.But the fact that millions of people are hardworking and looking forward to future makes me hard to imagine such a growing nation would fall so easily.Perhaps it would,but I never expect it.

In eg. Germany nobody thinks that China - as productive nation will fail (after all it's #2 after the US) - but that demonstations/riots due to bad social conditions could first destabilize some local communist leaderships, and then destabilize the entire national communist party...

Torture?I don't know,maybe in some rural areas.Sometimes the media reports such circumstance,but not so many people.

Veryone in Europe knows that the communist party in China tortures people that are to vivid in opposing them.
But we also know, that most torture happens by local chinese officials, who want to silence farmers etc. who's property they want to purchase, to make a good profit.
Anyhow, all Europeans believe that China is corrupt. And that was even before: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/26/bu...hina.html?_r=0

As I'm an inexperienced teenager,my view could be puerile and naive.Anyway,I'm surely not a nationalist but I love my country.

And you have many reasons to do so. I also love your country. I like the Dao-De-Jing (aka Tao-Te-King) - I probably totally wrote that wrong. I respect the heritage and writtings of Konfuzius (Kung-Fu-Tse?) - again probably wrote that very wrong. I like China for creating Chan-Buddhism (aka. Zen in Japan/Western) as a blend of Daoism and Buddhism. I like China for it's history. I like China esp. for the Tang-Dynasty. I like China for popular movies like: The Emperor and the Assassin - Jing Ke ci Qin Wang.

P.S:Nowadays Chinese teenagers in big cities are more addicted to Western cultures than a Eastern one.

There are also western teenagers that like eastern culture very much. And they simply don't know about the differences of the Chinese, Korean and Japanese culture. They don't know about the historic divides that the Japanese occupation caused. They see Asia as a whole-culture.

Perhaps in the future Japan, Korea and China could also be friends - as Germany, France and England are in Europe?
And Germany, France and England fought dozens of wars against each other - World War 1 and World War 2 are only the tip of the iceberg. Here's a list of European wars/conflicts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...icts_in_Europe
But now we have the EU.

[XIII]

I can't help but see the parallels with the Kaiser's Imperial Germany (e.g. stupid leaders, stupid diplomacy). The result will be the same, China will end up alone just like Germany was if they keep going like this.

[Condottiere 40K]

It's not that the Chinese regimes are anti-expansionist, it's more a question of how much territory they can control and protect, and China, or if you prefer Greater China, has expanded to how far the grasp of the Central Government can actually reach.

Now that we're in the twenty first century, with faster communications and transportation nets, exactly how far that reach can go is probably actively re-assessed.

[AqD]

Pissed?


I have always wondered why they never feel pissed off by our inclusion of entire China including Mongolia in our country's map. They never cared!