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    I recently read this article on the Daily Telegraph's website and I can say that I am profoundly disgusted by this blatant prejudice and slander shown against a legitimate, absolutely non-racist political party. It is surely evident of the political-correctness-obsessed-liberals's relentless attempts to misrepresent and defame those who are mature enough to debate the issue of immigration.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...s-of-Ukip.html


    Foster parents 'stigmatised and slandered’ for being members of Ukip

    A couple had their three foster children taken away by a council on the grounds that their membership of the UK Independence Party meant that they supported “racist” policies.



    By Sam Marsden 10:06PM GMT 23 Nov 2012

    The husband and wife, who have been fostering for nearly seven years, said they were made to feel like criminals when a social worker told them that their views on immigration made them unsuitable carers.
    Speaking to The Daily Telegraph, the couple said they feared that there was a black mark against their name and they would not be able to foster again.
    Last night campaigners representing foster parents described the decision as “ridiculous” and warned that it could deter other prospective foster parents from volunteering.
    Nigel Farage, the leader of Ukip, described the actions of Rotherham borough council as “a bloody outrage” and “political prejudice of the very worst kind”.
    Tim Loughton, the former children’s minister, said: “I will be very concerned if decisions have been made about the children's future that were based on misguided political correctness around ethnic considerations.


    "Being a supporter of a mainstream political party is not a deal-breaker when it comes to looking after children if it means they can have a loving family home.”
    The couple, who do not want to be named to avoid identifying the children they have fostered, are in their late 50s and live in a neat detached house in a village in South Yorkshire.
    The husband was a Royal Navy reservist for more than 30 years and works with disabled people, while his wife is a qualified nursery nurse.
    Former Labour voters, they have been approved foster parents for nearly seven years and have looked after about a dozen different children, one of them in a placement lasting four years.
    They took on the three children — a baby girl, a boy and an older girl, who were all from an ethnic minority and a troubled family background — in September in an emergency placement.
    They believe that the youngsters thrived in their care. The couple were described as “exemplary” foster parents: the baby put on weight and the older girl even began calling them “mum and dad”.
    However, just under eight weeks into the placement, they received a visit out of the blue from the children’s social worker at the Labour-run council and an official from their fostering agency.
    They were told that the local safeguarding children team had received an anonymous tip-off that they were members of Ukip.
    The wife recalled: “I was dumbfounded. Then my question to both of them was, 'What has Ukip got to do with having the children removed?’
    “Then one of them said, 'Well, Ukip have got racist policies’. The implication was that we were racist. [The social worker] said Ukip does not like European people and wants them all out of the country to be returned to their own countries.
    “I’m sat there and I’m thinking, 'What the hell is going off here?’ because I wouldn’t have joined Ukip if they thought that.
    "I’ve got mixed race in my family. I said, 'I am absolutely offended that you could come in my house and accuse me of being a member of a racist party’.”
    The wife said she told the social worker and agency official: “These kids have been loved. These kids have been treated no differently to our own children. We wouldn’t have taken these children on if we had been racist.
    ”The boy was taken away from them the following day and the two girls were removed at the end of that week."
    The wife said the social worker told her: “We would not have placed these children with you had we known you were members of Ukip because it wouldn’t have been the right cultural match.”
    The wife said she was left “bereft”, adding: “We felt like we were criminals. From having a little baby in my arms, suddenly there was an empty cot. I knew she wouldn’t have been here for ever, but usually there is a build-up of several weeks. I was in tears, although not in front of the social worker.”
    Her husband added: “If we were moving the children on to happier circumstances we would be feeling warm and happy. To have it done like that, it’s beyond the pale.”
    The couple said they had been “stigmatised and slandered”.
    A spokesman for Rotherham metropolitan borough council said last night: “After a group of sibling children were placed with agency foster carers, issues were raised regarding the long-term suitability of the carers for these particular children.
    "With careful consideration, a decision was taken to move the children to alternative care. We continue to keep the situation under review.”
    Ukip was once considered a single-issue fringe party but is now part of Britain’s political mainstream, with some recent national polls putting its support as high as nine per cent.
    Its manifesto includes a demand for Britain to pull out of Europe and to curb immigration. It is also critical of multiculturalism and political correctness.
    The party has three peers in the House of Lords, all defectors from the Conservatives, and 12 MEPs, although it has never won a seat in the Commons. It has a candidate in next week’s by-election in Rotherham.
    Mr Farage said: “I am outraged politically and very upset for them. I think this is the kind of thing where we need some sort of decree from a Government minister that Ukip is not a racist party.
    “This is political prejudice of the very worst kind. It is just a bloody outrage.”
    He pointed out that Ukip has a black candidate in the forthcoming Croydon North by-election.
    David Goosey, the chairman of the trustees at Community Foster care, an independent fostering charity, said: “If this is accurate and there are no other extraneous matters that have concerned the authorities, then it is completely ridiculous and no self-respecting authority should be stopping people fostering on the grounds of their membership of Ukip.”
    Nushra Mansuri, of the British Association of Social Workers, said: “My first question would be, does the local council have a clear equality policy so you can understand a bit more about the decision-making?
    “Otherwise it’s very difficult to fathom.”
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    B-but they want to leave the European Union! That said the Conservatives seem to want to do that as well now.

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    Well, if that is the case, it is a bloody outrage. I'm sure even ShockBlast will agree there is nothing racist about UKIP.

    However, as we only have the parent's side of the story, I am skeptical. That "issues were raised regarding the long-term suitability of the carers for these particular children" sounds a lot more serious than political views. I can't believe they would just take the children into care for supporting an obviously non-racist party. But we do know a paper would sell much more with a story like that.
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    "Absolutely non-racist" might be a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't put racism past most UKIP members.

    That said, it's an absolute disgrace to deny someone a child because of political orientation. The very foundations of democracy lie in giving power to the people to have whatever views they choose to have. I wouldn't deny a child to a National Socialist, a Communist, or a Tory.

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    This looks like a job for your friendly neighborhood Chimney Sweep/Arsonist! Time to learn those bastards something fierce.



    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    "Absolutely non-racist" might be a bit of a stretch. I wouldn't put racism past most UKIP members.
    I wouldn't put racism or similarly cringe worthy biases past anyone. Certainly not you. You just did what you're complaining about.

    That said, it's an absolute disgrace to deny someone a child because of political orientation. The very foundations of democracy lie in giving power to the people to have whatever views they choose to have. I wouldn't deny a child to a National Socialist, a Communist, or a Tory.
    Exactly. There's nothing wrong with naming your kid Adolf, Ioseb, or Winston.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post


    I wouldn't put racism or similarly cringe worthy biases past anyone. Certainly not you. You just did what you're complaining about.
    Not really. A party which demands segregation from the EU and tougher immigration controls, and is thoroughly nationalist, clearly has some issue with people who aren't of the same nationality - and it isn't that much of a stretch to imagine that extends to race. People tend to collate the two. It's not outrageous or contradictory to believe that a few UKIP supporters are more extreme than the manifesto would suggest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Not really. A party which demands segregation from the EU and tougher immigration controls, and is thoroughly nationalist, clearly has some issue with people who aren't of the same nationality - and it isn't that much of a stretch to imagine that extends to race. People tend to collate the two. It's not outrageous or contradictory to believe that a few UKIP supporters are more extreme than the manifesto would suggest.
    Balderdash. Complete and utter balderdash. UKIP is not a far-right party nor is it a 'nationalist' one. It is typical for self-hating socialists to regard any form of patriotism as violent jingoism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ♖Bombardier Bedford♖ View Post
    Balderdash. Complete and utter balderdash. UKIP is not a far-right party nor is it a 'nationalist' one. It is typical for self-hating socialists to regard any form of patriotism as violent jingoism.
    I didn't say anything about UKIP being far-right, nor am I a socialist. Though UKIP is definitely right wing. The fact it calls itself "libertarian" is a joke.

    I fail to see what UKIP is if not nationalist. It promotes the idea of an independent Britain, does it not? With stricter controls on immigration so as to prevent the culture of Britain from being polluted, yes? How is that not nationalist? It's not ethnic nationalist like the BNP, but it's certainly promoting the nation over European integration. The nation being Britain as a whole, not any particular country within it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Not really. A party which demands segregation from the EU and tougher immigration controls, and is thoroughly nationalist, clearly has some issue with people who aren't of the same nationality - and it isn't that much of a stretch to imagine that extends to race. People tend to collate the two. It's not outrageous or contradictory to believe that a few UKIP supporters are more extreme than the manifesto would suggest.
    You flying blind or by the BBC, either way your lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    You flying blind or by the BBC, either way your lost.

    You're*

    And I'm sorry, what? How does you posting a frankly terrible campaign video by a black guy in any way refute what I said? I didn't say UKIP itself was racist, nor did I say that everyone in it held racist views. But there are certainly racists in it, just as there are in any party, and it's not unlikely that there are more racists in UKIP than there are in say, the Green Party. It's not exactly the point of the topic either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Not really. A party which demands segregation from the EU and tougher immigration controls, and is thoroughly nationalist, clearly has some issue with people who aren't of the same nationality - and it isn't that much of a stretch to imagine that extends to race. People tend to collate the two. It's not outrageous or contradictory to believe that a few UKIP supporters are more extreme than the manifesto would suggest.
    Yeah really. You may tend to correlate the two.

    It's perfectly reasonable to believe that a few UKIP supporters are pedophiles, but do you think that's a good reason to take away foster kids?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    Yeah really. You may tend to correlate the two.

    It's perfectly reasonable to believe that a few UKIP supporters are pedophiles, but do you think that's a good reason to take away foster kids?
    Read my original post. I disagreed with the point that UKIP was "absolutely non-racist". That was all. I maintained that it was abhorrent to take away a child on the basis of political orientation, whatever that orientation may be. Frankly, even if they are racist I don't believe it warrants the state taking away a child. It's not up to the government to make its people grow up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Read my original post. I disagreed with the point that UKIP was "absolutely non-racist". That was all. I maintained that it was abhorrent to take away a child on the basis of political orientation, whatever that orientation may be. Frankly, even if they are racist I don't believe it warrants the state taking away a child. It's not up to the government to make its people grow up.
    Okay. I'll drop the subject. I'm wrong, you're right or the opposite. Whatever makes you happy.

    I'm certainly Euro-skeptical unless they can accomplish a proper Federation.

    Just like I'm UN-skeptical unless it can clean up it's act and get some executive power to go along with it's legislative and judicial powers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Not really. A party which demands segregation from the EU and tougher immigration controls, and is thoroughly nationalist, clearly has some issue with people who aren't of the same nationality - and it isn't that much of a stretch to imagine that extends to race. People tend to collate the two. It's not outrageous or contradictory to believe that a few UKIP supporters are more extreme than the manifesto would suggest.
    That is your assumption.

    Now obviously I am from the US and not the UK, but there are some similarities here. I think the UN is a waste of time and money, and I want stricter border/immigration controls, and I am flat out tired of being called a racist because of it and I do not doubt that the people in the UK who think as I do feel the same way.

    Immigration control is not about race, or even nationality, its about knowing who is in the country. Its about not wanting to give handouts to people who come into the country and havent contributed a damn thing, and here in the US its about all the other stuff that comes across the border with the immigrants. Such as the gangs and crime.

    Stop painting everyone with this racist fantasy brush. Its nothing more than an effort to silence people of different policital views by casting them as something they are not because you cannot attack the argument any other way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GrnEyedDvl View Post
    That is your assumption.

    Now obviously I am from the US and not the UK, but there are some similarities here. I think the UN is a waste of time and money, and I want stricter border/immigration controls, and I am flat out tired of being called a racist because of it and I do not doubt that the people in the UK who think as I do feel the same way.

    Immigration control is not about race, or even nationality, its about knowing who is in the country. Its about not wanting to give handouts to people who come into the country and havent contributed a damn thing, and here in the US its about all the other stuff that comes across the border with the immigrants. Such as the gangs and crime.

    Stop painting everyone with this racist fantasy brush. Its nothing more than an effort to silence people of different policital views by casting them as something they are not because you cannot attack the argument any other way.
    Read the UKIP manifesto and tell me again that I'm assuming. They clearly have an issue with people coming to the country to live and work. People of other nationalities, in other words. I'm not saying that they're necessarily racist.

    I'm not "painting everyone with this racist fantasy brush". I've said that you will find more racists among people who are nationalist, protectionist, anti-immigration than people who are libertarian. Few people will admit to being racist so that can't be proven, but it's almost definitely true. That's the only thing I've assumed.

    I haven't called anyone in this thread a racist, nor have I called the people banned from keeping their children racist. As I've said, I think it's abhorrent for the government, or anyone for that matter, to directly involve themselves in someone else's life because of their political orientation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larkin View Post
    Read the UKIP manifesto and tell me again that I'm assuming. They clearly have an issue with people coming to the country to live and work. People of other nationalities, in other words. I'm not saying that they're necessarily racist.
    Trying living in either Brixton, Peckham or the Medway Towns. Then you'll understand the problems an unregulated, open-door, immigration policy can cause.
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    Do all other UIP members lose their kids too, that's just weird?

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    One social worker makes a bad call: the only logical deduction to make is that its PC gone mad and that liberals are ruining the country and that there is no debate at all going on about immigration.

    Stay classy. Don't let sense get in the way of your circle jerk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatsby View Post
    there is no debate at all going on about immigration.
    To use one of my grandfather's phrases, you are clearly living in 'cloud-cuckoo-land' if you believe that nonsense.
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    Absolutely ludicrous, but this is typical in modern Britain. A country of useless layabouts, where the English are second-class people in their own nation and ruled by a bunch of LIBERALS......Now, we have political silencing; the Conservatives know the threat UKIP is to their position as the party of the right-wing, so discriminatory acts against UKIP supporters like this occur.

    Why the hell did Nelson and Churchill bother to defend this green and pleasant isle from Europeans, when things like this occur on a regular basis!!!!

    I can't believe they would just take the children into care for supporting an obviously non-racist party.
    It's all a bunch of sabotage, just like the mishap with the voting papers and Nigel Farage's unfortunate 'plane crash'. Pfft, give me a break, that was no accident!!!! I would put money on it!!
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