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    What's this? Mohammed Mursi is evolving!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-20451208
    Egypt's President Mohammed Mursi has issued a declaration banning challenges to his decrees, laws and decisions.
    The declaration also says no court can dissolve the constituent assembly, which is drawing up a new constitution.
    President Mursi also sacked the chief prosecutor and ordered the retrial of people accused of attacking protesters when ex-President Mubarak held office.
    Egyptian opposition leader Mohammed ElBaradei accused Mr Mursi of acting like a "new pharaoh".
    The president may feel he has gained power through his role as international mediator in the Gaza conflict, but his latest announcement is likely to cause new struggles inside Egypt, the BBC's Jon Leyne in Cairo reports.
    Thousands of protesters have returned to the streets around Cairo's Tahrir Square over the past week, demanding political reforms and the prosecution of security officials blamed for killing demonstrators last year.
    Many feel that Egypt is missing political guidance, our correspondent says, and the appointment of a new prosecutor could be seen as an attempt by Mr Mursi to quell the protesters' dissatisfaction.
    But judges will view the decree as an attack on the courts' independence, our correspondent adds.
    Following the decree, Talaat Ibrahim will replace Abdel Maguid Mahmoud as chief prosecutor.
    Mr Mahmoud's acquittal of officers allegedly involved in attacks on protesters led to violent clashes in Tahrir Square in Cairo in October, when supporters and opponents of President Mursi clashed.
    The president tried to remove Mr Mahmoud from his post by appointing him envoy to the Vatican, without giving an official reason for the switch.
    But Mr Mahmoud defied the Egyptian leader and returned to work, escorted by judges and lawyers.
    The new prosecutor is now tasked with re-conducting all the investigations led by Mr Mahmoud into the alleged attacks on protesters, and re-trying people already acquitted in the case.
    President Mursi said his decree was aimed at "cleansing state institutions" and "destroying the infrastructure of the old regime".
    The declaration also gives the 100-member constituent assembly two additional months to draft a new constitution, to replace the one suspended after President Mubarak was overthrown.
    The re-write of the constitution, which was meant to be finished by December, has been plagued by dozens of lawsuits questioning the make-up of the constituent assembly.
    Once finished, the document should then be put to a referendum. If it is approved, legislative elections will be held two months later.
    Last month, the Supreme Constitutional Court rejected a first draft released by the assembly, saying that it tried to limit the courts' powers and interfere in judicial affairs.
    The re-writing process had already been slowed by a court ruling in April suspending the first constituent assembly, amid accusations that it was dominated by Islamists.
    In June, political parties agreed on the make-up of a new panel, which included a range of politicians, members of the armed forces, police, judiciary and trade unions, as well as Muslim and Christian leaders.
    However, liberals continued to complain about the distribution of seats and have not withdrawn their 43 legal challenges to the assembly's constitutional legitimacy.
    The assembly has welcomed Mr Mursi's declaration, saying it would help put an end to the ongoing row over the panel's fate.
    But Mr ElBaradei said the decree effectively placed the president above the law.
    "Mursi today usurped all state powers and appointed himself Egypt's new pharaoh. A major blow to the revolution that could have dire consequences," the Nobel Peace Prize winner wrote on his Twitter account.
    The vice-president of the Supreme Constitutional Court, Tahani al-Gebali, told the Spanish news agency Efe that Mr Mursi was now an "illegitimate president".
    The Egyptian Judges' Club has called for an extraordinary meeting to discuss Mr Mursi's decision. "The state of law is at stake," the association said in a public statement.
    Meanwhile Heba Morayef, the Egypt director for Human Rights Watch, said that while the country needed judicial reform, "granting the president absolute power and immunity is not the way to do it".
    Congratulations! Your Mohammed Mursi has evolved into Ungrateful Authoritarian Bastard! Blow to Democracy!


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    Bit early to say if he will be a dictator, unless he makes sure no more elections then he can be called a dictator.

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    Nasser is back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Nasser is back.
    why nasser from what i have read was a good president
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    Your Democracy is funny.



    To be fair it is too soon to declare Morsi Reich Furher, give it a few years when He changes the whole Army Chief of Staff or has women in Sexy Burqas

    Egypt is going to be a Muslim Brotherhood Dictatorship, just like Iran is an Ayatollah dictatorship, Morsi is the front man.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Well, we all knew ElBaradei was the Liberal and Democratic guy in Egypt when Mubarak's regime started to crumble. Unlike the Lybian and Tunisian results(which were pretty good for the West in political outcomes) in Egypt ''we'' gambled far more and now, our results, seem be far closer to ''defeat'' than ''victory''. I could argue that things are still unfolding and freedoms can be restored rapidly, but I seriously do not see it coming with the Brotherhood in Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    Well, we all knew ElBaradei was the Liberal and Democratic guy in Egypt when Mubarak's regime started to crumble. Unlike the Lybian and Tunisian results(which were pretty good for the West in political outcomes) in Egypt ''we'' gambled far more and now, our results, seem be far closer to ''defeat'' than ''victory''. I could argue that things are still unfolding and freedoms can be restored rapidly, but I seriously do not see it coming with the Brotherhood in Government.
    The Salafists are the second party in Egypt ... lose all hope and grab the popcorn.
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    lose all hope and grab the popcorn.
    I would be worried, big time, If I were an egyptian. Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    The Salafists are the second party in Egypt ... lose all hope and grab the popcorn.


    IDF is ready anyway.

    Edit: The fun part of OP's BBC article.

    Egyptian opposition leader Mohammed ElBaradei accused Mr Mursi of acting like a "new pharaoh".
    Why Mohammed El Baradei did not say Mr Mursi is acting like new Caliphate? Or may be he is afraid Egyptians want a new Caliphate so he has to use a pagan title to describe President Mursi?
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    Why Mohammed El Baradei did not say Mr Mursi is acting like new Caliphate? Or may be he is afraid Egyptians want a new Caliphate so he has to use a pagan title to describe President Mursi?
    It's called nationalism.
    FREE THE NIPPLE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Edit: The fun part of OP's BBC article.
    Egyptian Blogger on Twitter : Morsi just claimed more powers than Nasser, Mubarak and SCAF combined.

    Spoiler Alert, click show to read: 
    « Le courage est toujours quelque chose de saint, un jugement divin entre deux idées. Défendre notre cause de plus en plus vigoureusement est conforme à la nature humaine. Notre suprême raison d’être est donc de lutter ; on ne possède vraiment que ce qu’on acquiert en combattant. »Ernst Jünger
    La Guerre notre Mère (Der Kampf als inneres Erlebnis), 1922, trad. Jean Dahel, éditions Albin Michel, 1934

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Why Mohammed El Baradei did not say Mr Mursi is acting like new Caliphate? Or may be he is afraid Egyptians want a new Caliphate so he has to use a pagan title to describe President Mursi?
    Because caliphs, especially in Egyptian history, were notoriously inept and powerless. It would be like calling a future Russian head of state that acts with dictatorial impunity a new 'Medvedev' rather than Putin, or tzar.

    If he did call him a new caliph, the next question would be 'who's the new grand vizier that really runs things'?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Claudius Gothicus View Post
    Well, we all knew ElBaradei was the Liberal and Democratic guy in Egypt when Mubarak's regime started to crumble. Unlike the Lybian and Tunisian results(which were pretty good for the West in political outcomes) in Egypt ''we'' gambled far more and now, our results, seem be far closer to ''defeat'' than ''victory''. I could argue that things are still unfolding and freedoms can be restored rapidly, but I seriously do not see it coming with the Brotherhood in Government.
    One can argue MB is en large a western creation, specially considering how much space Islam took in the vacuum created by US toppling of secular Arabian-nationalism, or "socialism", aka spread of communism, or "dictators killing their own people", today with Saddam, Assad, or Khadaffi.

    Oh Hegel....

    Also a powerful Adam Curtis documentary on the matter.



    Somehow I have the feeling also Mursa is just allot of hot air and deep down those pockets like the rest of them.
    Last edited by Thorn777; November 22, 2012 at 05:07 PM.
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    we can safely say that a % of those 130 were Houthi/Iranian militants that needed to be stopped unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    Yeah, you could. It would also be lazy and conveniently overlook the fact that a more radical element existed beforehand. Again, a chicken or the egg kind of thing.

    Since that time it isn't as if the US cannot differentiate the MB from radical Islamists. It is just that we hear from the people who scream the loudest, and often not very logically, if at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrmouth View Post
    lazy and conveniently overlook the facts
    you should state this phrase more often.
    Swear filters are for sites run by immature children.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thorn777 View Post
    One can argue MB is en large a western creation, specially considering how much space Islam took in the vacuum created by US toppling of secular Arabian-nationalism, or "socialism", aka spread of communism, or "dictators killing their own people", today with Saddam, Assad, or Khadaffi.
    Islamic Parties of radical to conservative views are a direct cause of Panarabism and Arab-Nationalism failing. Those movements failed because of 2 things:

    A) gambling their political prestige in wars with Israel.

    B) Not being able to modernize the societies of the middle east: which includes creating competitive democracies, dynamic social stratas and inclusive economies.

    Both factors where directly controlled(in the most important cases like Nasser's Egypt) by the national governments of Panarabic inspired ideologies which ruled those places. Arab Nationalism simply failed out of it's own contradictions and rigidity.

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    Mursi is an Islamist and wants all Jews to die.

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    Ah yes, the classic revolution where the newly established powers become exactly what they profess to hate in the name of "protecting the revolution."
    Once a political decision has been reached to proceed with internal disturbances in Syria, CIA is prepared, and SIS (MI6) will attempt to mount minor sabotage and coup de main [sic] incidents within Syria, working through contacts with individuals. Incidents should not be concentrated in Damascus. [A] necessary degree of fear, [...] frontier incidents and [staged] border clashes [will] provide a pretext for intervention. The CIA and SIS should use [...] capabilities in both psychological and action fields to augment tension. [Funding should be provided for a] Free Syria Committee [and arms should be supplied to] political factions with paramilitary or other actionist capabilities.
    ~ Joint US-UK leaked Intelligence Document, 1957

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    Probably as has much to with the legitimizing acts of genuine radicals in Egypt who are pushing Sharia. The sad reality is that a strong hand and not-so-democratic things need to take place in some of these countries in order for the greater good.

    You can start really being critical when he has torture prisons, etc.

    This is one of those lovely men in Egypt who now have a voice: http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...g_al_qaeda.php

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    I feel sorry for Freedom loving Americans.

    You chaps really didn't get your money's worth with ol'Hosni. Sure he locked all the fundies up and his wife looked great in an wig without a headscarf.

    But he really didn't deliver economically what with the rampant corruption, cronyism, illiteracy, grinding poverty, absence of the rule of law and inflation. He had nearly 3 decades to get done....

    Lots and lots of repression without the benevolent economic improvements for the everyday Egyptian. Shucks.

    A Khan Noonien Singh he most certainly was not.

    Maybe this new potential tyrant will actually manage to make the trains run on time.

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