use of camel for bringing more arrows

**Greatonesh** · November 21, 2012, 02:59 PM

hi
so we know that parthian's used camel's for bringing more arrows
and i'm sure romans did this with Caravans !
so what do you think about a non-fighting UNIT !!! which we can add to our army , and this will double the arrow for both foot and Calvary archer's?

what do you think guys?

**Kinjo** · November 21, 2012, 03:10 PM

or have your military camp/baggage train represented on the battle map were troops can go to to get resupplied.

**friget234** · November 21, 2012, 03:14 PM

I think this would work if it was similar to a retainer from Shogun 2 but I do not see the need to add it as an actual battlefield unit

**Fanest** · November 21, 2012, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by friget234

I think this would work if it was similar to a retainer from Shogun 2 but I do not see the need to add it as an actual battlefield unit

no more stupid retainer system plz

**friget234** · November 21, 2012, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Fanest

no more stupid retainer system plz

The idea behind the retainer system from S2 is sound, but was executed less then ideally. With balancing the retainers, making the # available not based on past achievements, and making them more creative and not just base attack bonuses, the system could be an excellent bonus to R2:TW

**UsulDaNeriak** · November 21, 2012, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by Kinjo

or have your military camp/baggage train represented on the battle map were troops can go to to get resupplied.

I doubt they had to ride all the way back to the camp, in order to get new arrows or javelins. I guess, we can assume some oxcarts behind the line, with resupply. There has to be some water-supply, too. And a lot of other logistics on the battlefield. It is not imaginable to survive a battle for many hours without it. I guess these 1000 calones of the legion had a lot of tasks during battle.

For gaming purposes a single point of supply behind the lines for arrows and javelins makes sense. Could be a camp, could be some slow moving oxcarts or mule. I am pretty sure, the troops in Africa and Syria used camels, too. Of course this is not a unit-card. It is a feature of the army.

**myself** · November 21, 2012, 04:15 PM

I think that some kind of supply point behind the lines would make sense. If it's only featured in some battles and not systematically then it would even be better. Anyway, I would really like to see that kind of feature.

**Kinjo** · November 21, 2012, 04:50 PM

Camps and baggage trains weren't usually that far from where the pitched battle took place. There are even a few instances were fleeing troops were trap by their own baggage trains. The Parthians used roughly 1000 camels for their baggage train at the Battle of Carrhae. I just dislike seeing land battles being so abstract, having baggage trains and camps visible on the battle makes them more organic imo.

**UsulDaNeriak** · November 22, 2012, 04:49 AM

Originally Posted by Kinjo

Camps and baggage trains weren't usually that far from where the pitched battle took place.

If Valens would have known that at Adrianopel, we all would perhaps speak latin today

JK, you are correct, but i guess some more mobile supply points additionally don't hurt. If a unit comes close to these supply points (e.g oxcarts like proposed above) the units become refreshed and resupplied (depending on the unit). These small "supply-units" could be fully AI controlled and try to follow the main line slowly in order to keep them supplied automatically, whenever possible.

**Black John** · November 21, 2012, 05:09 PM

Having a camp on the battle map would be great. Sacking of the camp could provide extra plunder as well as drop morale in the field.

**Ichon** · November 21, 2012, 05:14 PM

I don't know about retainers in Roman era but retinues of favorites, hangers on, camp followers, neponistic family etc were common and did affect perceptions of people.

**Jedi** · November 21, 2012, 05:26 PM

I can imagine other uses for the camels besides carrying water and arrows to a camp site pre battle.why not make use of them afterwards huh?

Herd all them camels at the enemy without riders after you stockpiled thier ammo confusing them into thinking its a cavalry charge.Little known to them that its a ruse for the incoming cataphracts on the other flank!

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · November 22, 2012, 05:11 AM

Sounds like a useless Unit to take up space for my army

**Greatonesh** · November 22, 2012, 05:19 AM

Originally Posted by VarrKhaitan

Sounds like a useless Unit to take up space for my army

really ??
dont u like you'r archer's have double arrow's?

it's really a good strategy when you know that you enemy's infentry is stronger than you so it is matter of minutes to hold the line and rain them with arrow's !

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i think at least they have to make it for some faction's

**Karnil Vark Khaitan** · November 22, 2012, 05:35 AM

Originally Posted by Greatonesh

really ??
dont u like you'r archer's have double arrow's?

it's really a good strategy when you know that you enemy's infentry is stronger than you so it is matter of minutes to hold the line and rain them with arrow's !

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i think at least they have to make it for some faction's

What about having a Unit archers instead? More arrows? And a Lot arrows Per second?
But I not sure if they Can make it work ingame, as in wargame.
And again I Think its a useless Unit WHO Will make less dmg, and create more problems with the ai.

**UsulDaNeriak** · November 22, 2012, 07:20 AM

Originally Posted by VarrKhaitan

Sounds like a useless Unit to take up space for my army

How could you assume, that it would be an unit with an unit-card, taking any space for your army?

CA already said, that the legion or army is an object of its own, which was not the case in Rome I. That means, you can define methods (features) for this objects, which are independent from the units object. This is a fully different software architecture than Rome I, which enables legion-specific features and properties, which have nothing to do with any sub-unit of the legion.

So there is no need anymore to attach legion/army-specific poperties like the eagle, the name of the legion or whatever via traits to the generals unit-card artificially. Heck, even the general himself would not need a unit card anymore. But i doubt they would go that far with their object-model, even if its an interesting idea.

**tomogawa** · November 22, 2012, 07:33 AM

I can see this being exploited

**Savoyard** · November 22, 2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by tomogawa

I can see this being exploited

Err... That's the reason for it. That's how the Parthians won Carrhae.

**SughdianWarrior** · November 22, 2012, 05:38 AM

Makes sense, if you're willing to pay extra for munition supplies. I don't mind, the more realistic options I have, the better. After all this happened in history when Parthian general Surenna brought with him camels loaded with arrows so his mounted archers could keep Crassus' army busy.