It is time to shoot down the old dog

[Lord William]

I am going to build my next computer myself with the help of a computer expert, he keeps on what I want in my computer which I have no clue on how to answer..... My budget is around 1500 canadian dollars and my goal is to build a gaming supercomputer..... Please can you guys help

[Bolkonsky]

Intel i7 3770k
High-end Z77 motherboard
AMD 7970 3GB
16GB RAM G.SKILL, frequency is motherboard dependent. (Highest compatible)
SSD size of your choice, paired with a large (2-3 TB) hard drive.
850w Silver rated PSU should do the trick.
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro cooler.
Cooler Master HAF 932 Chassis

That should fit within budget, and offer some room for peripherals. If you want, up the GPU to a 680. Better performance, but it is a big price increase.

NCIX is a good site to buy your parts from, otherwise I'd say go with Newegg.ca though their shipping is supposedly a bit more expensive.

[Lord William]

Edit: wow im blind

Thanx, this looks great

[Lord William]

I send your list too my tech guy he counter offers with this and I'm not sure of what to make of it

Intel*Core™ i5-3570 Processor, 3.40GHz w/ 6MB Cache
Gigabyte*GA-Z77X-UD3H w/ Dual DDR3 1600, 7.1 Audio, Gigabit - Motherboard
G.SKILL F3-12800CL10D-16GBXL Ripjaws X 16GB 2X8GB Kits 240PIN DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Desktop Memory
Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5in SATA3 SandForce SF-2281 SSD Drive
Seagate 2TB Barracuda SATA III w/ 64MB Cache
LG*SuperMulti 24x DVD Writer, SATA, Black, OEM*
XFX Radeon HD 7970 Graphic Card - 925 MHz Core - 3 GB GDDR5 SDRAM - PCI-Express 3.0 x16 5500 MHz Memory Clock - 4096 x 3112 - CrossFireX - Fan Cooler - DirectX 11.0, DirectCompute 11, OpenGL 4.2, OpenCL 1.2 - HDMI - DisplayPort - DVI
Antec*Sonata III Quiet Mid Tower w/ EarthWatts 500W, eSATA*
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W 80+ Silver ATX 12V V2.3 Power Supply 20/24PIN w/ Silent 135mm Fan
Assemble Hardware & Software test*

Cooler Master HAF 932 Chassis
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro
1 year parts & labour

Price 1450

Is it worth it? And what is the difference between both builds

[Adreno]

make sure you get the 3570k, otherwise you have no need for a fancy cpu cooler.. 20 bucks more for 1ghz per core more is a bargain

[Bolkonsky]

Make sure it's the 3570K

What is the Antec*Sonata III Quiet Mid Tower w/ EarthWatts 500W, eSATA*?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

Antec sonata III is a mid tier Chassis thats well bad at the best of times, the EarthWatts 500w PSU is passable but not up to snuff with the 7970 and an overclocked CPU

[Bolkonsky]

OK yeah well don't pay for that and a Haf 932.

[Lord William]

Well I'm trying to build your original build my guy is telling it's going to cost 1800 + taxes which brings it over 2000

Either the guy ripping me off or them are expensive parts

*
Processor
Intel® Core™ i7 3770K Processor
CPU Cooler
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard
Graphics
XFX Radeon HD 7970 Graphic Card - 925 MHz Core - 3 GB GDDR5
SDRAM
Memory
G.SKILL F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL Ripjawsz 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-2133
Hard Drive
Seagate*2TB SATA 7200RPM
SSD Drive
Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5in SATA3 SandForce SF-2281 SSD Drive
Chassis
Cooler Master HAF 932 Chassis
Power Supply
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W 80+ Silver ATX
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
Labour / Warranty
Assembling with 1 Year Parts & Labour




Yeah honestly I don't want to pay 1500 for a piece of crap and that's on a good day. I need to get your parts cheaper I check the website and it gave the parts for about the same price. Why shouldnt I get the haf 932?

[karamazovmm]

he is ripping you off, and bolk said that you shouldnt buy 2 chassis, since in the list that you posted there was a sonata 3 and a haf 932, get the last one basically

[Crazyeyesreaper]

yup dude is raking you over the coals hardcore

Euro / Quid is better than the US dollar

Intel® Core™ i7 3770K Processor $300
CPU Cooler
Thermaltake Water 2.0 Pro $100
Motherboard
Asus P8Z77-V Motherboard $140 if this board is expensive find another i use a Biostar TX77XE4 only paid $120 usd for supports SLI and Crossfire for multi gpu etc
Graphics
XFX Radeon HD 7970 Graphic Card - 925 MHz Core - 3 GB GDDR5 $380 its not even the GHz edition card so far cheaper than other 7970s should also come with 3 games, Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs
SDRAM
Memory
G.SKILL F3-17000CL11Q-16GBZL Ripjawsz 16GB 4X4GB DDR3-2133 $100
Hard Drive
Seagate*2TB SATA 7200RPM $130
SSD Drive
Kingston HyperX 3K 120GB 2.5in SATA3 SandForce SF-2281 SSD Drive for 120-128gb SSD should be under $100-140
Chassis
Cooler Master HAF 932 Chassis $130
Power Supply
Cooler Master Silent Pro M2 850W 80+ Silver ATX $130 is all you should need to spend here
Operating System
Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit $100
Labour / Warranty
Assembling with 1 Year Parts & Labour

Total cost in USD = $1650 = $1250 Euro or $1030 Quid

their are far better part selections that can get the price down as well. dude is trying to make a small fortune off you for this build

so even with something like VAT being say 20% it should still come in under $1500 euro and $1200 quid, again price can be brought down. But it also depends on your location as well, example Greece has higher prices on tech than say France or Britain etc

This is an example of why you need to do this yourself and learn how to build your own. People like you get screwed over every day. Its not hard to build a PC if you follow some guides and read the instructions / manuals and their are ppl out their that will put a machine together for $50 euro quid usd w.e we have companies here in North America aka NCIX that for $50 will build the rig after you personally select all the parts.

[Lord William]

I'm going to take my build to ncix and see what they say hopefully they can make me an offer i can't refuse

XFX Radeon HD 7970 Graphic Card - 925 MHz Core - 3 GB GDDR5 $380 its not even the GHz edition card so far cheaper than other 7970s should also come with 3 games, Far Cry 3, Hitman Absolution, Sleeping Dogs

How much is the cost difference between the MHz and the GHz and how much of a difference does it make?

[Lord William]

I just came back from ncix's store location the build came to 2034 canadian dollars taxes included with installation and setup

That was not the answer I was hoping for lol

Anyways my struggle continues, it looks like I might have to raise my budget to 2000

[Bolkonsky]

You're in Canada?

[Crazyeyesreaper]

well if you make piss poor part selections then your gonna have an expensive build,

Hyper X is the most expensive Sandforce drive on the market heres the kicker its only 5-10mb./s faster than the cheapest Sandforce synchronous drives on the market that can be up to $70 cheaper
get a different power supply and motherboard
change the Case
change the memory

also dont use NCIX store use the ONLINE store, they are cheaper online with a better selection.


CPU + OS: 3770k + Win 7 Home Premium 64bit $414 NCIX http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70540&promoid=1030
CPU: Cooler Corsair H100 $120 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=61380&promoid=1030
CASE + SSD: Corsair Carbide 500R $111 & ADATA AS510S3-120GM-C 120GB $101 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62758
MOTHERBOARD: ASRock Z77 Extreme 4 $145 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=70902&promoid=1030
RAM: Patriot Viper 3 16GB 2X8GB PC3-12800 DDR3-1600 10-10-10-27 1.5V Memory Kit - Black Mamba $75 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76779&promoid=1030
PSU: XFX 650W PRO650W Core Edition $80 (comes with Dirt 3 for free) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59616
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 2TB 7200RPM $110 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=66010
OPTICAL DRIVE: LG GH24NS72 24X SATA Internal DVD Writer $24 http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76514&promoid=1286
GPU: XFX Radeon HD 7970 Double D 925MHZ 3GB 5.5GHZ DDR5 2XMINI-DP HDMI DVI PCI-E Video Card $370 Comes with 4 games + 1 Coupon (Sleeping Dogs, Hitman Absolution, Far Cry 3, Dirt Showdown, 20% Medal Of Honor Warfighter) http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67172&promoid=1030

Total Cost of Parts $1550 with $50 to build it total cost $1600 i am done here good luck

[Lord William]

You're in Canada?

Yes, Toronto to be exact

well if you make piss poor part selections then your gonna have an expensive build,

Hyper X is the most expensive Sandforce drive on the market heres the kicker its only 5-10mb./s faster than the cheapest Sandforce synchronous drives on the market that can be up to $70 cheaper
get a different power supply and motherboard
change the Case
change the memory

also dont use NCIX store use the ONLINE store, they are cheaper online with a better selection.

but my question is are they lower quality, will they break quicker. As I said before I'm really bad with computers I need a tank something that won't break cause I dont know what I'm doing. I know hardware won't cause to many problems for me it will most be the software but still I would like one less future problem

[Bolkonsky]

Yes, Toronto to be exact



but my question is are they lower quality, will they break quicker. As I said before I'm really bad with computers I need a tank something that won't break cause I dont know what I'm doing. I know hardware won't cause to many problems for me it will most be the software but still I would like one less future problem

For certain parts, this may well be the case. However it's OEM specific, not brand specific, and it really only applies to things like Hard Drives and Power Supplies. Most everything else will outlast it's own usefulness.

[Crazyeyesreaper]

uh no you realize most parts are made in a factory they slap a sticker on it thats it right?

reference GTX 680s or 7970s etc aka blower style cooler they are made in 1 location a brands sticker is placed on it thats it,

SSDs all made in similar factories in China etc just different plastic colored casing and a label,

if the NAND is Toshiba and the Controller is Sandforce the only difference between said drives is custom firmwares whoop de do,

almost all PC parts today are made to fail after there warranty is up so general rule of thumb if it lasts 3 years your lucky.