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    Held for 70 days behind bars in a Greek cell, ArmA 3 developers Ivan Buchta and Martin Pezlar have now been denied an appeal against their charges of espionage.

    The two men have been refused bail and now must be tried in front of a Greek court, Czech news site Rozhlas reports (thanks, Eurogamer.cz). The duo have been made to wait weeks longer than normal to hear their appeal verdict due to a strike affecting the Greek legal system.

    Buchta and Pezlar are accused of spying on Greek military installations. They face up to 20 years in jail.
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...s-refused-bail


    Greek gamer Cyplon took to the Bohemia Interactive forum on 1st August 2012 to protest against the Limnos military air base being modelled because he felt it would be difficult to appreciate a game that "exposes our defences to the rest of the world" (thanks to Eurogamer reader dose for the link to the cached version of the forum thread).

    "On the island of Limnos is a military air base," Cyplon wrote. "It is illegal to take photographs of this base, yet the ArmA development team are creating a 3D model of the base, most likely based on photos which they took illegally (as well as the satellite photos which aren't illegal).

    "Had this been an American base, or any other country with a large population of whom may purchase ArmA 3, it is likely that such an act would not have been performed due to the risk of the country banning the game from being sold there. Hence, I find it disrespectful to do so. At the very least, the ArmA team should modify the base so that it is not an accurate representation of the existing base.

    "All this time the ArmA series has been based on fictional locations, but now have chosen to create a game on a real location. Of all locations in the World, Limnos - one of the only islands in the Aegean with a military air base, is being replicated, regardless of the tensions between Greece and Turkey which are ongoing (you don't hear it on the news unless you are from Greece or Turkey). Great choice for a first location!
    http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/20...ek-authorities

    It seems the Greek island of Limnos is none-too-happy about its starring role in the forthcoming military shooting game "ArmA 3."

    According to the AFP news agency, Limnos Mayor Antonis Hatzidiamantis believes the game will damage the island's reputation and could perhaps even pose a security threat.

    "We cannot fathom that our island, a place of peace and creation, will be turned into a scene for violence and battle," Hatzidiamantis told the Athens-based newspaper Eleftherotypia.
    http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/in...stardom-120319

    So...
    1) Create exact 3d representation of a nation's most critical military installation for a game.
    2) Ignore suggestions that this is not a good idea.
    3) Don't check with the authorities.
    4) Incur wrath of local population.
    5) Go to said military installation and take photographs.
    6)?????
    7) Profit!

    70 days in prison is a lot, and no doubt the conditions aren't great. But, what were they thinking? The world is not just one giant ball of cotton candy fun-time. They obviously weren't spying, but taking pictures of military bases is a sure-fire way to get yourself locked up somewhere dark for a very long time. No doubt they will be released eventually, though I hope they come out of the whole ordeal a bit wiser.

    Of course, if the Greek army wants to keep its installations a secret it should take a look at googlemaps, though pictures from ground level can potentially contain more sensitive info than a satellite image.

    ARMA 3 is set in the near-future, during the mid 2030s, where NATO forces deployed in the Greek islands of the Aegean Sea are trying to hold off a massive Iranian military offensive from the east.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMA_3

    God, that's just so ing stupid a premise...

    Edit: Gamer Rage "Lazy Greek goat army is teh suxxors" going over 9000 in 3... 2... 1...
    Last edited by Braindead Colonel; November 18, 2012 at 05:22 AM.

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    God, that's just so ing stupid a premise...
    Modern day version of 300?

    Anywho, 20 years for taking pictures is ridicilous. These 70 days are already enough in my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Anywho, 20 years for taking pictures is ridicilous. These 70 days are already enough in my opinion.
    Indeed, I don't know much about the greek legal system but that seems like a lot of time, even with the added complication of this being an accusation of espionage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Modern day version of 300?
    Would only make sense if the Iranians are the 300 trying not to get squashed by NATO...

    Anywho, 20 years for taking pictures is ridicilous. These 70 days are already enough in my opinion.
    It says "up to" so the 20 years are probably the max punishment for espionage, what they actually get is not actually known so the media takes this number since it sounds unfair.

    And well, it kinda says that due to strikes they are kind of a limbo since the Greek judiciary has some trouble with backlogs...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotYetRegistered View Post
    Modern day version of 300?

    Anywho, 20 years for taking pictures is ridicilous. These 70 days are already enough in my opinion.
    uh no its a modern day version of the Persian Wars.

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    They could give Greece a share of the profits, every penny if welcome for broke country ...

    Seriously, taking picture of the base aside, they done nothing wrong and if you don't like your Island in a game nobody cares anyway. Maybe they should just produce the pictures back to the Greeks, do a fictional base layout and be set free, 20 years is ing stupid sentence.

    Now to make it all better Turkey should train its soldiers to take the Island using Arma3 ... might help Bohemia sales . But does this Greek thinks that Turkey has been waiting for Arma3 to map the airbase ? The probably know where every roll of toiled paper is stored. Greeks are so oversensitive.
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    Yes that makes perfect sense, now Turkey finally has the tools they need to take Limnos...
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    Quote Originally Posted by |Sith|Galvanized Iron View Post
    Yes that makes perfect sense, now Turkey finally has the tools they need to take Limnos...
    yeah, we'll make our soldiers play Arma-3, therefore they know what to expect at Lemnos

    Actually, we all know that those military bases are a) against the treaties b) useless. During a war, that base will only stay there a few minutes.

    Not that we'll have a war with Greece any time soon

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    Maybe taking pictures and making realistic models of Area51 for a game about an Alien invasion would force the USA government to admit that Aliens exist

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    Taking pictures of military facilities is illegal anywhere in the world, from Greece to Turkey to the US and anywhere else. Since we don't really know what the pictures were of in the first place, I don't think anyone is in a position to make judgment on the veracity of the charges.

    The bigger problem is the judges' and now lawyers' strikes, which are delaying all legal cases in all of Greece, not of just these people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Taking pictures of military facilities is illegal anywhere in the world, from Greece to Turkey to the US and anywhere else. Since we don't really know what the pictures were of in the first place, I don't think anyone is in a position to make judgment on the veracity of the charges.

    The bigger problem is the judges' and now lawyers' strikes, which are delaying all legal cases in all of Greece, not of just these people.
    it was only made illegal in the USA with the Patriot act. It's not illegal in most of Europe, the civilized countries anyway.

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    Lock them away and throw away the key! When you are willing to risk the lives of thousands or millions for some entertainment, you shouldn't be allowed into society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OCWife View Post
    Lock them away and throw away the key! When you are willing to risk the lives of thousands or millions for some entertainment, you shouldn't be allowed into society.
    Wow... Did you like even read some background stuff or did you just assume that these people sort of stole some fictional launch keys some some fictional nuclear missiles?...

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    Quote Originally Posted by irelandeb View Post
    it was only made illegal in the USA with the Patriot act. It's not illegal in most of Europe, the civilized countries anyway.
    Actually it's not legal in most European nations either. All the Nordic countries got laws against it and in many countries photography is even restricted on civilian airports.

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    Blame the delay on the fact that the highest rank in our judiciary will earn 1.800 euros... Anyway, taking photos of military bases is illegal as other people mentioned as well and I expect some jail time, unless this becomes a diplomatic incident and we strike a deal with the Czechs.

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    Actually, we all know that those military bases are a) against the treaties
    Indeed, similar to your military installations in Imbros and Tenedos...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Anyway, taking photos of military bases is illegal as other people mentioned as well and I expect some jail time, unless this becomes a diplomatic incident and we strike a deal with the Czechs.
    Do you accept free copies of Arma3 for the whole Greek Army ... might help reduce training costs ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Do you accept free copies of Arma3 for the whole Greek Army ... might help reduce training costs ?
    Czech women to entertain the Greek Army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Do you accept free copies of Arma3 for the whole Greek Army ... might help reduce training costs ?
    Lol, giving the Greek military access to ArmA might expose them to what real militaries are like, unless they plan on including a level dedicated to cleaning dishes, mopping floors, and washing vehicles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Lol, giving the Greek military access to ArmA might expose them to what real militaries are like, unless they plan on including a level dedicated to cleaning dishes, mopping floors, and washing vehicles.
    It would be hilarious to make a fake "Arma3 : Greek Armed Forces" trailer with dudes doing that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Menelik_I View Post
    Do you accept free copies of Arma3 for the whole Greek Army ... might help reduce training costs ?
    The Greek army doesn't know the layout of their own base and also needs to practice how to conquer their own base at Limnos?

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