water cooling.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Hi guys, I want to upgrade my fan for my current gaming pc and I am wanting to get a water cooling component but I don't know where to start. I have an Asus motherboard and an AMD phenom 3.4 processer. I can overclock my pc but the graphics card cannot handle the heat. I have a budget of two hundred pounds as I don't want to mess about with cheap components.


Any help would be great.

Thank you.

[Totalheadache]

What case do you have? And what gpu? Also knowing your psu make/wattage would be usefull.

Tbh i'd i wouldnt bother watercooling that cpu, i'd spend the money on upgrading it. If your gpu is a few yrs old I wouldnt bother doing that either.

Not saying you cant but I tend to think if you are going to go for a watercooling setup and invest the time+effort it might as well be on relatively new tech.

Your performance would see a benefit from overclocking your cpu more, but still it's a fairly weak cpu in regards the last few cpu releases.

[Love Mountain]

What case do you have? And what gpu? Also knowing your psu make/wattage would be usefull.

Tbh i'd i wouldnt bother watercooling that cpu, i'd spend the money on upgrading it. If your gpu is a few yrs old I wouldnt bother doing that either.

Not saying you cant but I tend to think if you are going to go for a watercooling setup and invest the time+effort it might as well be on relatively new tech.

Your performance would see a benefit from overclocking your cpu more, but still it's a fairly weak cpu in regards the last few cpu releases.

Not to mention that with a proper case you can go a long way with air-cooling.

[Totalheadache]

Not to mention that with a proper case you can go a long way with air-cooling.

actually my point was you cant actually do a decent watercooling at all if you case isnt compatible.

but by all means we should have a look at op's current case and his cooling to make a decision. an old psu or a gpu that hasnt been cleaned or a dusty case can cause high temps.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

What case do you have? And what gpu? Also knowing your psu make/wattage would be usefull.

Tbh i'd i wouldnt bother watercooling that cpu, i'd spend the money on upgrading it. If your gpu is a few yrs old I wouldnt bother doing that either.

Not saying you cant but I tend to think if you are going to go for a watercooling setup and invest the time+effort it might as well be on relatively new tech.

Your performance would see a benefit from overclocking your cpu more, but still it's a fairly weak cpu in regards the last few cpu releases.

Hi, my case is the nzxt, I have a 6750 Radeon graphics card I think, (out and about at the moment) and a 600 watt PSU corsair. Also have 12 MB RAM. I can overclock my CPU to a maximum of 3.9. For Rome 2 I will be getting a brand new up to date graphics card near to release date.

Thanks for the help!

[Totalheadache]

Hi, my case is the nzxt, I have a 6750 Radeon graphics card I think, (out and about at the moment) and a 600 watt PSU corsair. Also have 12 MB RAM. I can overclock my CPU to a maximum of 3.9. For Rome 2 I will be getting a brand new up to date graphics card near to release date.

you need to be more specific re the case...just nzxt tells me nada.

so what is it you want to watercool? if your getting a new gpu you might as well wait...

so you can do 3.9 is that on aftermarket cooler?

if it were me i'd upgrade cpu+gpu then think about watercooling.

http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=351499

do some research around the web. generally people who watercool have a case like...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...id=2280&subcat=

as you can accomodate 360mm radiators...then you will need waterblocks (eithet cpu/gpu), tubing, barbs, coolant (either coolant or distilled/deionised water), pump and reservoir.

you can just buy coolers for cpu that are stand-alone water coolers like..

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-009-CS

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Okay, now I am at home I can be more specific,

Case Model: NZXT http://www.nzxt.com/new/products/crafted_series/phantom
Processor (CPU) AMD PHENOM II X4 965 (3.40GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3) - BLACK EDITION
Motherboard ASUS® CROSSHAIR IV FORMULA: DDR3, USB 3.0, SATA 6.0Gb/s, R.O GAMERS
Memory (RAM) 12GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz
Graphics Card 6750 Radeon 2GB
Memory 500GB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 8MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive 24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply 600W Corsair + 120mm Case Fan

My PC overheats and shuts down when I have overclocked it from 3.4GHz to 3.9GHz so I just need better cooling for it. That's why I was leaning towards water cooling as it is supposed to be the best but if you have any better idea's I am open to suggestion

[ElvenKind]

Hi guys, I want to upgrade my fan for my current gaming pc and I am wanting to get a water cooling component but I don't know where to start. I have an Asus motherboard and an AMD phenom 3.4 processer. I can overclock my pc but the graphics card cannot handle the heat. I have a budget of two hundred pounds as I don't want to mess about with cheap components.


Any help would be great.

Thank you.

Maybe if you get some cooler for your GPU until Rome 2 gets out..

[Crazyeyesreaper]

you dont need water for a Phenom II, an it might not be heat causing the instability, not all cpus hit 4ghz, regardless a simple air cooler like a Hyper 212+ or 212 EVO will let you get 3.8 no issue,

but simply put no matter how high you clock that Phenom II your not gonna gain much performance in Shogun 2 or Rome,

even if you pushed it to extremes, your gaining next to nothing. minimum i think is like 11 avg 14 fps in Shogun 2 CPU bench if you overclock you might hit 15 min 19-20 avg and that sif you hit 4ghz. your at the point where your rig is considered entry lvl for gaming at this point


new CPU + MOBO + GPU are needed to get you running Rome II at proper settings but then again the game is a year off so your wasting your time buying now.

Take it from me i had your setup with a far better gpu overclocking will help your performance but in Shogun II no matter how high you clock the CPU its not gonna be enough to give a smooth experience at higher graphical settings your GPU and CPU are holding you back

the 6750 = 4850 performance = 8800 GTX performance from 2006, essentially your gpu was considered high end product about 6 years ago its had 6 years for its performance to decline to the point that right now your 6750 is only slightly faster than AMD's newest integrated GPUs

[Totalheadache]

^^i agree 100% to above^^

and re the case it does seem your case is watercooling friendly but only for a dual rad. if you are going to do a full loop inc cpu+gpu then most people would advise a 360 rad.

a viable option would be to aircool cpu and then put your gpu on water and have a dual rad just for gpu.

i did read mention perhaps that your case would take x2 dual rads...i'd have to see inside pics of your case to be sure.

and tbh if you do really want to keep the case and watercool i'd have to get a 2nd opinion as to whether it would be ok.

what I did in regards my own setup was to find a friendly watercooling specialist and then talk to him over the phone..although make sure you get as many opinions as poss.

guru3d.com/forums or techpowerup.com, overclock.net all usefull sites.

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Thanks for the advice, I will put it all on ice and just spend the cash closer to the Rome 2 release date. Which brands would you say are the best for CPU, MOBO? I will get the latest Radeon graphics card as well next year. And yeah the case has more than enough room to dual rad

[Love Mountain]

Thanks for the advice, I will put it all on ice and just spend the cash closer to the Rome 2 release date. Which brands would you say are the best for CPU, MOBO? I will get the latest Radeon graphics card as well next year. And yeah the case has more than enough room to dual rad

Pepare to shell 400$ for the best possible value in terms of cpu horsepower.

3570K
ASRock Extreme 4 Z77

Itll cost you around 359$ and with tax, you'll end up around 400$.
For a decent GPU, 250$-350$. It'll last you for 2-3 years at least. Game decelopers have been very slow in terms of pushing our hardware. In fact, to really stress high end GPUs nowdays, you need multi monitor set-ups or going 2560x1600 screens.

So all in all, you're looking at around 750$ in order to completely update your rig. Your PSU should be sufficient, its a Corsair 600W right?

[Fallen Angel Ezekiel]

Pepare to shell 400$ for the best possible value in terms of cpu horsepower.

3570K
ASRock Extreme 4 Z77

Itll cost you around 359$ and with tax, you'll end up around 400$.
For a decent GPU, 250$-350$. It'll last you for 2-3 years at least. Game decelopers have been very slow in terms of pushing our hardware. In fact, to really stress high end GPUs nowdays, you need multi monitor set-ups or going 2560x1600 screens.

So all in all, you're looking at around 750$ in order to completely update your rig. Your PSU should be sufficient, its a Corsair 600W right?

Yeah 600W, thanks for the examples! I don't mind shelling out the money as long as it lasts me for a good while

[PGeo36]

Pepare to shell 400$ for the best possible value in terms of cpu horsepower.

3570K
ASRock Extreme 4 Z77

Itll cost you around 359$ and with tax, you'll end up around 400$.
For a decent GPU, 250$-350$. It'll last you for 2-3 years at least. Game decelopers have been very slow in terms of pushing our hardware. In fact, to really stress high end GPUs nowdays, you need multi monitor set-ups or going 2560x1600 screens.

So all in all, you're looking at around 750$ in order to completely update your rig. Your PSU should be sufficient, its a Corsair 600W right?

You don't even need to go that much, my CPU and GPU set up is 3 years old now and cost me $250 combined at the time. There are still only a couple games that I cannot run at full settings. The only games you have to worry about are the games designed with PC in mind, games like Total War or Witcher 2, consoles cannot handle the graphical demands of current generation PC hardware so you don't need to worry about anything ported from console.

[Adreno]

You don't even need to go that much, my CPU and GPU set up is 3 years old now and cost me $250 combined at the time. There are still only a couple games that I cannot run at full settings. The only games you have to worry about are the games designed with PC in mind, games like Total War or Witcher 2, consoles cannot handle the graphical demands of current generation PC hardware so you don't need to worry about anything ported from console.

he already has a better computer than that though..?

[PGeo36]

he already has a better computer than that though..?

Well, I should clarify, if you're a weirdo that has to have 120 fps in full settings in order to enjoy your games, then yes you probably should go that expensive. I have no problems with 60 fps so that why I can go cheaper.