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    As you may already know, Palestinians have been making a push at the UN to gain observer status via a General Assembly vote. It's said that such a vote will happen in later November. However, the reaction from Israel and US has been very tough. Israel has threatened to nullify the Oslo Agreement and overthrow Abbas, while US will cut UN funding. It should be said that the Palestinian talks have been stalled for quite some time already and the UN bid can be seen as a desire for the Palestinians to get the ball rolling for recognition. Will UN allow such a vote despite the threat of US cutting funding? What are the long term consequences of this?

    I personally believe that it's long over due that Palestinians have their own state and it's a great injustice that they are in the situation that they are in. What Israel has been doing/maintaining in the region is out right occupation. However, I fear the escalation that could come from this in addition to the Syrian War and the fighting that's been going on around Gaza in the past days.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...atens-abbas-un
    Israel should topple the Palestinian president, Mahmoud Abbas, if he presses ahead with a request for recognition of the state of Palestine by the United Nations general assembly in two weeks' time, the hardline foreign minister, Avigdor Lieberman, has urged.

    In a draft paper distributed to the media, Lieberman argued that overthrowing the Palestinian leadership was Israel's only viable option, faced with the certainty of an overwhelming vote in support of the Palestinian bid.

    "A reality in which the United Nations recognises a Palestinian state according to a unilateral process will destroy all Israeli deterrence and completely harm its credibility," the paper said.

    "Although this step is not simple, considering the implications that Israel will have to deal with, the only other option in this case would be the toppling of Abbas's government … The other option, of containment or a softer response, would be seen as raising a white flag."

    Lieberman's extreme stance comes as the Israeli cabinet is considering a range of punitive measures it could take in response to the vote, expected on 29 November. These include the full or partial annulment of the 1993 Oslo Accords, financial penalties and an acceleration of settlement expansion.

    The minister of strategic affairs, Moshe Yaalon, warned the Palestinians would pay a "heavy price" if they submitted a resolution seeking "non-member state" status at the UN general assembly. It would be a "flagrant breach" of the Oslo Accords, which provided for a limited measure of self rule for the Palestinians, he told army radio.

    Another government minister, Gilad Erdan, called for the immediate annexation of all Jewish settlements in the West Bank.

    The Palestinians have rejected a personal appeal from President Barack Obama to postpone the vote, instead choosing to submit a resolution on the anniversary of the UN's approval in 1947 of a plan to partition what was then Palestine. They are expected to win the support of around 150 of the UN's 193 member states, and need only a simple majority for the resolution to pass.

    A move to win admission to the UN as a full member state stalled last autumn after the US pledged to exercise its power of veto in the security council; no country has the right of veto in the general assembly.

    "It is now irreversible," said an Israeli government official. "The Palestinians will win, but the quality of the vote is what counts. If you win a vote with your major pillars of support as Zimbabwe, North Korea, Iran and Cuba, it comes with only so much moral authority."

    Israel is concentrating its diplomatic offensive on European Union countries, which are divided in their positions. Lieberman held a three-day meeting in Vienna last week with Israeli ambassadors to EU nations to brief them on the consequences of a vote in favour of Palestinian statehood in order for them to step up pressure on their host governments.

    Israel believes the Palestinians have the support of up to seven EU countries – Ireland, Spain, Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece, Cyprus and Malta – but wants to maximise the number of nations opposing the resolution. It particularly wants to secure the opposition of the "big three" – Britain, France and Germany.

    None has yet declared how it will vote, but the French president, François Hollande, told a Paris press conference on Tuesday he could not rule out the possibility of France supporting the Palestinian initiative.

    The Israeli foreign ministry sent a diplomatic cable on Sunday to all Israeli representatives across the globe warning that the Palestinian resolution was a "clear violation of the fundamental principle of negotiations".

    It continued: "The adoption of the resolution will give Israel the right to re-evaluate previous agreements with the [Palestine Liberation Organisation] and consider cancelling them partially or completely, and would make progress in the peace process more difficult in the future."

    The Palestinian initiative was "a fundamental breach of agreements", said an Israeli government source. "If a contract is broken, it's broken. We have no framework, and the situation is very dangerous."

    However, almost all steps being considered by the Israeli cabinet have potentially negative consequences for Israel as well as the Palestinians. Instability or a return to violence could follow the imposition of measures that would threaten the ability of the PA to govern in the West Bank.

    According to a government source, the Israeli cabinet has discussed a number of possible measures, but has taken no concrete decisions. Among a "toolbox" of actions under consideration are:

    • full or partial annulment of the Oslo Accords, under which the Palestinian Authority (PA) was established

    • withholding tax revenues Israel collects on behalf of the PA

    • cancellation of permits for thousands of Palestinian labourers to work in Israel

    • withdrawal of travel privileges for senior PA officials

    • acceleration of building programmes in West Bank settlements

    • unilateral annexation of the main Jewish settlement blocks.

    Lieberman's draft paper proposed Israeli recognition of a Palestinian state on provisional borders encompassing around 40% of the West Bank in exchange for the Palestinian leadership dropping its approach to the United Nations.

    Israel's general election in January may be encouraging some politicians to put forward radical proposals in the belief these will shore up their support among the Israeli public.

    The UnS is also expected to impose punitive measures in response to a vote in favour of Palestinian statehood at the general assembly. The US Congress froze $200m (£126m) of aid to the Palestinians in response to their bid for full membership of the UN last September. Despite the decision later being overturned, the money has still not been released.
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    An independent Palestine would collapse soon or later anyway, and no one even know how to solve the settlement problem.
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    We did all this before and Abbas backed down under pressure at the last minute.The USA would veto anything unilaterally.
    Palestinians can not get a state without peace talks with Israel.They have to sit down and decide upon borders.Who is going to send a army against Israel and the US to enforce International law?Who is going to stop settlement building?The answer is nobody so Israel will carry on regardless.

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    Who is going to send a army against Israel and the US to enforce International law?
    China is build a military that can enforce world justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    China is build a military that can enforce world justice.
    Is it made of 3rd rate plastic with toxic paint? Peace on the cheap!

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    Is it made of 3rd rate plastic with toxic paint? Peace on the cheap!
    Biological and chemical warfare are important part of modern war today.
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    Default Re: Palestinian UN statehood bid: Israel threatens to overthrow Abbas

    Dont care.The West supports Israel.The west is always right even if it is minority

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    Default Re: Palestinian UN statehood bid: Israel threatens to overthrow Abbas

    The sooner everyone realizes that a two-state solution is not a solution at all, the faster we'll be able to reach meaningful conclusions.

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    Default Re: Palestinian UN statehood bid: Israel threatens to overthrow Abbas

    If we do not have a 2 state solution then the PA will have to move away as the Jewish people will not live with Hamas inside their borders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise View Post
    If we do not have a 2 state solution then the PA will have to move away as the Jewish people will not live with Hamas inside their borders.
    If Polish and Lithuanian could work together I fail to see anyone cannot do that.
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    I betting 50 years tops until Israel goes the way of Rhodesia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    I betting 50 years tops until Israel goes the way of Rhodesia.
    Exactly.
    This state has no future with its current status.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nce_wht_guy View Post
    I betting 50 years tops until Israel goes the way of Rhodesia.
    I shall take that bet and see you in 2062.

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    Default Re: Palestinian UN statehood bid: Israel threatens to overthrow Abbas

    Worst.analogy.ever.

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    Israel overthrowing a democratically elected leader because it doesnt agree with one of his ideas? That doesnt seem very civilised




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    I'll be so happy the day Israel loses US protection and later gets swarmed by millions of angry muslims and is embargoed to death by the rest of the world. Maybe then Netanhayu will care about the UN and International Law.

    It's so easy to act tough when you have the guns and the UN veto on your side.
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    Israel is trapped in a noose of their own design. 2 state solution opens up a massive can of worms and effectively creates a vulnerability of having a hostile state on their flank. Then there are borders to negotiate and settlers to re-locate, potentially. Including Palestinian Arabs in the Israeli state looks like the only practical solution, except that it makes Jewish Israelis a minority in that weird hybrid of ethnic/religious/Biblical state of theirs.

    Israel as we know it today is effectively screwed long-term and whoever voted in the current head-in-sand, wool-over-eyes coalition has only themselves to blame for inevitable demise of their precious state. Responsible leaders should be facing up to those challenges instead of spewing radical nonsense and avoiding making difficult decisions. Bibi is a coward and a liar, and his line of "leadership" will spell the end of Israel, mark my words.

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    Three Israelis killed in direct rocket hit; Gaza operation enters second day
    Over 100 rockets fired at Israel since assassination of Hamas military chief Ahmed Jabari; more than 25 rockets intercepted by Iron Dome System; Israel may expand Gaza operation; cabinet authorizes IDF reservists call-up; UNSC holds special meeting.
    It is getting serious.I see another war.You do not call up reservists unless you are going to do something.

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    UNSC is totally useless. It's really funny, USA accept Kosovo as a state, it does not accept Abhazia, North Cyprus and Palestin. Russia accepts Palestin and Abhazia as state but not North Cyprus and Kosovo. Turkey accept Kosovo, Palestin and North Cyprus as state but not Abhazia. What's their difference ? Nothing

    The 5 states at UNSC just veto whatever decision they don't like and the situation is a mess. What's funnier is that those 5 states (USA, Russia, China, England, France) are no more the 5 most important or powerful countries of the world.

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    I've lost faith about whether there's ever going to be a permanent peace.
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