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    (Reuters) - With his craggy face, diamond earring and tattooed wrist, Thessaloniki mayor Yannis Boutaris looks an unlikely candidate to turn around the finances of Greece's second biggest city.

    But the 70-year old, who stands apart from the political mainstream, is pulling off reforms that have so far evaded the national government in a three-year-old debt crisis that has sucked in some 150 billion euros of international aid.

    In contrast to the rest of Greece, this sea-front city of one million is shrinking debt, cutting business taxes to help firms and paying city employees and contractors on time.

    It is saving money by holding competitive tenders for the paper, plastic bags and milk it buys - a departure from past practice of relying on a few, chosen providers.

    "There was unacceptable inertia, even incompetence. I just couldn't believe it," Boutaris said in an interview. "I said 'folks, from now on we change the way things are done and whoever doesn't like it can walk out of the door'."
    City officials now pay for snacks and coffee. Thessaloniki residents bring their own envelopes and rubber bands when submitting applications and requests.

    Changing mentalities in Greece is about as hard as getting off booze, said Boutaris, a recovering alcoholic who has not touched a drop in 20 years.
    Direct to the point of admitting in a TV interview shortly after his election in November 2010 that he had used drugs, Boutaris advocates that state workers' jobs-for-life status should be scrapped, anathema to almost all Greek politicians.

    In a country that reeks of corruption but where no politician has yet been convicted, Greece's first big corruption trial started in the city in September. Boutaris's predecessor and 17 other former officials are charged with embezzling 51 million euros from city coffers, about as much as Thessaloniki is spending on public construction each year.

    Many citizens appreciate the style of their mayor, who won office two years ago by a mere 300 votes, the second time he had run for the post.
    "The city functions better now, I wish all of Greece would work like that," said pensioner Zaharias Vavelidis.

    Thessaloniki will run a budget surplus this year and is boosting construction projects such as a new promenade, said 49-year old Hasdai Kapon, a former broker whom Boutaris appointed to run the city's finances.

    "We let the market work and manage to do more with less," Kapon said at his office, where a shelf is laden with finance and management books.
    Such efforts earned Boutaris the title "Mayor of the month" from the City Mayors' Foundation, a London-based international think tank for urban affairs, which said the rest of Greece should follow his example.

    Boutaris visited German cities to tap their know-how. He says he understands Germans' frustration with Greek failure to reform.

    "They have become convinced that by spending money on Greece they throw their money out of the window. I myself am convinced that without big reforms, no matter how much money is thrown at Greece, it will be wasted."

    LURING TOURISTS

    The ancient city was hit harder than any other by the economic crisis. The local unemployment rate has more than tripled to 29 percent since 2008, when the country plunged into recession. Joblessness is five percentage points above the national average.

    Hundreds of jobs were lost as one industry after another, including companies such as Coca Cola and Siemens, moved to cheaper, former Communist countries nearby.

    The crisis has even taken a toll on the city's renowned night life. Seaside cafes and clubs, usually teeming with students, are half-empty. Shopping streets are dotted with barricaded shops that went out of business.

    To mitigate the crisis, Boutaris has revived tourism, drawing visitors from new markets but also the ire of Greek nationalists. In 2011 foreign arrivals rose by 37 percent.

    "I travel to Sofia, Belgrade, Tirana, Skopje and say 'come to Thessaloniki and have a good time'," said Boutaris, who breathed new life into his family's abandoned mountain village of Nymfaion in the 1990s by setting up a hotel, restaurants and a wildlife reserve there.

    To lure tourists to Thessaloniki he staged the 12th edition of Womex, a big world music festival, and a gay pride parade, infuriating the city's conservative clergy.

    Arrivals from Turkey and Israel soared in the past two years after he helped lure Turkish Airlines and travelled to Israel to evoke the city's flourishing Jewish, pre-Holocaust past.

    Thessaloniki was known as "Second Jerusalem" before most of the Jewish population perished in German concentration camps. Boutaris said his first girlfriend was Jewish. Kapon is proud to be the city's first Jewish municipal counsellor since 1937.

    DROWNING IN GARBAGE

    But Boutaris' moves to highlight the city's Turkish Ottoman and Jewish past as well as his outspoken stance against Greece's ultra-right Golden Dawn party, have enraged some.

    "This is a proud city. It's unacceptable for him to say that Greeks had a good time under Ottoman rule," said shopkeeper Ilias Drakopoulos, objecting to some of Boutaris's proposals to give streets their old Turkish names back and raise a statue of modern Turkey's founder Kemal Ataturk, who was born in the city.

    Boutaris's failure to deal with the city's garbage is providing fodder to his rivals.

    "The city is drowning in it," said his conservative opponent Costas Gioulekas, 51. "Street lights are not being fixed, it's the darkest city in Europe."

    Away from the main streets, garbage bins are overflowing. Stray dogs are seen chewing bones on a mouldy abandoned mattress outside the Rotunda, a late Roman monument on the UNESCO World Heritage list. Parking is a nightmare, even by Greek cities' appallingly low standards.

    "He is fixing the finances and improving transparency but this still doesn't show in how the city looks," said local management consultant Nikos Papadopoulos, who complained about dumped garbage bags under his balcony.

    Boutaris admitted he has failed to deliver on a pre-election promise to clean up the streets in six months, saying that it was harder than he thought to move garbage workers from desk jobs out to the streets.

    "It's hard to clean up the city without having the people," he said.
    He also blamed bureaucratic snags for failing in some of his planned projects, such as bicycle paths and traffic changes to ease congestion, which must first be approved by government authorities.

    "Dealing with them is like getting stuck between a rock and a hard place," he said. "But citizens, of course, blame me."
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    One of the few positive stories to come out of Greek finances in a long while. The man fancies himself not as a politician, but as a businessman tackling a new project of managing and helping rebuild the city. His personality and his minor, but notable successes contrast to the city's past struggle with political corruption. Thessaloniki has become of the few cities in the country that pays its bills and its workers on time and manage a small surplus.

    Is his approach something that can be applicable in Attica or on the national level? Should more future Greek leaders follow his example and approach to fiscal management? Granted, it is not without problems as noted in the article, Thessaloniki still has a garbage problem - though he is asserting its due to incessant bureaucrats with desk jobs who get in the way of mobilizing its work force. It seems that Thessaloniki is one few example of positive news mired in a country with strong concerns over its future.
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    Boutaris is one of the few Greek politicians I actually like, for various reasons, including his ability to break with the usual mold of Greek politicians. In any case, half the problem in creating change is a political one, the other half in these kinds of situations comes from the unions, so I'm not sure how far Athens would be able to move in a similar way.

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    Total lad.

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    The dude, if he weren't so old, should run for a national political position. Hopefully he inspires other younger politicians to follow in his footsteps. He shows Greece how real budget cuts, increasing revenues with smart market decisions, and fiscal management works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    The dude, if he weren't so old, should run for a national political position. Hopefully he inspires other younger politicians to follow in his footsteps. He shows Greece how real budget cuts, increasing revenues with smart market decisions, and fiscal management works.
    He's too socially liberal for many Greeks, and the Church hates him, so I don't think that will happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    He's too socially liberal for many Greeks, and the Church hates him, so I don't think that will happen.
    This year (2012) the Greek nation celebrated the 100 years since the liberation of Thessalonica with a parade of some contingents of the Greek army with military clothing and weapons of the Balkan Wars. The mayor said that this reminded him of the junta. Is this called socially liberal? Or a retard?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    This year (2012) the Greek nation celebrated the 100 years since the liberation of Thessalonica with a parade of some contingents of the Greek army with military clothing and weapons of the Balkan Wars. The mayor said that this reminded him of the junta. Is this called socially liberal? Or a retard?
    I don't want to bring up the issue of military parades, but I do think they're something we don't really need. I mean, sure, basically every European country has them, but I don't think we need to have them. Comparing them to the junta is somewhat stupid though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I don't want to bring up the issue of military parades, but I do think they're something we don't really need. I mean, sure, basically every European country has them, but I don't think we need to have them. Comparing them to the junta is somewhat stupid though.
    It wasn't a parade similar to that of October 28th. It was just infantry and cavalry contingents dressed with 1912 uniforms, reenacting the entrance of the Greek army in the city 100 years earlier. I think this could actually boost tourism.



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    Too left for my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Manuel I Komnenos View Post
    Too left for my taste.
    As opposed to the socialists who'll destroy the country? Plus, anyone that pisses off the ultra-religious is doing something right.
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    A public official shows that he has the knowledge and will to turn this financial cluster around but Manuel dislikes him because of a parade. Ah, priorities...

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    A public official shows that he has the knowledge and will to turn this financial cluster around but Manuel dislikes him because of a parade. Ah, priorities...
    No, as Manuel said, he dislikes him because he's too leftist, and his opposition to the parade is simply the most recent thing about him which Manuel dislikes.

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    It's unfortunate that that would be a reason to not support someone who is pretty much the only successful fiscal manager in the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    It's sad that that would be a reason to not support someone who is pretty much the only successful fiscal manager in the country.
    Exactly. Is criticism of a parade, or social liberalism in general, really what matters to you right now? If so, I'd guess the financial crisis in Greece isn't effecting you too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    It's unfortunate that that would be a reason to not support someone who is pretty much the only successful fiscal manager in the country.
    Support? This man is a mayor, not a leader of a party seeking to govern a state. Mind you, the fact that he is successfully managing a big city does not mean that he'd be as successful in solving the chaos of the Greek economy otherwise you should have chosen Mitt, considering how well he did as governor in Massachusetts. Last time I checked, Salonica did not have a debt worth 300 billion euros. Anyway, if he ever chooses to participate in the state elections I promise to examine his program and measure the positives and negatives of it.

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    Exactly. Is criticism of a parade, or social liberalism in general, really what matters to you right now? If so, I'd guess the financial crisis in Greece isn't effecting you too much.
    Oh, it is. But you think the only thing that matters in politics is fiscal policies?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future Filmmaker View Post
    It's unfortunate that that would be a reason to not support someone who is pretty much the only successful fiscal manager in the country.
    this geroksoyras is a facking traitor. on his recent interview he said that celebrating national holidays is Kitsch and old fascionated and next weak he organized a celebration about the creation of the albanian state.plus he wanted to bring another nations police force to operate on greek soil (macedonia)
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    Boutaris is a fine bussinesman who fancied to be a mayor.In this sense he is really something different than the corrupted professional politicians.
    The previous mayor (A ND conservative-The city was under conservatives most of the recent years) derailed the economics of the city and he is now facing allegations for economic scandals.
    Unfortunatelly the supposed centre-left coalition and mayor didn't manage to move in similar ways.....

    And Manuel many leftists in Greece aren't so liberal as Boutaris.He is one of a kind in his political approach.
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    Oh, it is. But you think the only thing that matters in politics is fiscal policies?
    No, I think it should be the most important thing that matters in your situation. Far more than hurt national pride resulting from criticism of a parade at least. You can worry about Greek ultra-nationalism when you can feed your own people again without billions of euros in other people's money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by s.rwitt View Post
    No, I think it should be the most important thing that matters in your situation. Far more than hurt national pride resulting from criticism of a parade at least. You can worry about Greek ultra-nationalism when you can feed your own people again without billions of euros in other people's money.
    The discussion is moot, since Boutaris would never get enough support from either the political establishment. There's no way I can see him becoming Prime Minister or Minister.

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    That's why I said in my OP, 'or inspire more people like him'. It shows the austerity works when done properly but even as just a mayor he has encountered an unnecessary amount of resistance in trying to change the status quo to even clean the damned garbage out of the city.
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