DarthMod Rome v9.0.x Feedback

[Kornstalx]

Something I've noticed since Darthmod 8.x is some units have their loose/tight formations backwards. It's purely a cosmetic issue I'm sure but it's always irked me to have the men yell "Loose formation!" then band tightly together.

Out of curiosity I fired up 9.0 last night and started an standard Imperial Campaign as Julii. Walked over to the starting Segesta rebels and in the fight, sure enough, some of the Hastati started in loose formation but their button was set for tight. When you toggled it (switching to loose), the animations and voiceover were still backwards.

[Dino Nuggets]

Seems simply enough, however adding a few units wont hurt.

[John Oak]

In my humble opinion it's the most fun Rome mod.. It changes are subtle and it possess an "vanilla like aura". Good improvments without messing too much around with the gameplay and scripts..

Although, I'm not having fun anymore.. The AI simply steamroll me (Julii) with restless and endless waves of stacks fulls of soldiers. Despiting the Roman tactical and military superiority, the AI (specially Gaul and Dacia) simply don't give up.. They NEVER stop sending more and more men to certain death. I have something like 4 or 5 heroic victories IN A ROLL, and they DON'T accept my ceasefire. Not with gold offers. Any of them. I'm in war for 100 years now..

I'm playing at the V/VH difficulty, since the VH/VH was simply impossible.. I simply cannot sustein 4 different fronts against Germania, Dacia, Gaulia and Carthage, at the same time..

Why the AI behaves like so ? May I change it to become more racional and more agressive against the others ?

Thanks in advance..

[Bignikdigga]

Hey guys I'm kind of having an issue with the mod a little down the road. I recently started a Julii campaign a few days back and things were going smoothly and I was enjoying the mod very much. Props to Darth btw, great mod. But when i got to the Marian Reform the game keeps crashing. I tried looking for a solution myself but I'm stumped, if anyone can help, it'll be greatly appreciated

[geo008]

For some reason I cannot start the campaign with darthmod,I get crash to desktop every time,but I can play the barbarian invasion just fine.I have the steam version of the game.any help please.many thanks

[airborne guy]

Dp the Guals and Germans get a bonus for fighting in the snow? I was fighting against Gual and I took heavy losses in the snow. About 3 times mre than usual

[Highlander999]

Hey. Downloaded the mod last night. Tried to do a campaign with Britain on the normal Imperial Campaign. Every time I go to the battlefield the general's unit seems to be outside the edge of the map (from what I can tell by the mini-map) causing this to crash. Tried this twice now. First battlefield was full of trees so I tried a flat plain on the campaign map and it still crashed. Is this a known bug, and if so has it been fixed as I can't play with the British. Tried a quick battle with Thrace and it worked fine

[Biggus Splenus]

On the front page it says:

In fact, everything needed for maximizing challenge, realism and fun for the game.

And yet we continue to see the Corinthian helmet in a time that it had long disappeared

[DARTH VADER]

Who says that the Corinthian helmet was not used. It was the most widespread type of helmet until all Greece was conquered by the Romans, and that is speculative in the game.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Who says that the Corinthian helmet was not used. It was the most widespread type of helmet until all Greece was conquered by the Romans, and that is speculative in the game.

Even Romans used it for a period of time...influenced from the Greeks of Sicily and Italy...

[Marc Byzantinum]

Dear Darth,

thank you for your work, I have seen the mod version 9.0.1 today and I'm soooooooo happy about
that.

Many thanks and all the best wishes for you

Greets

marc

Update: I just played the mod and it is great! Is it possible to use the rs2 enviroments and how?

Thanks for a short answer!

[Biggus Splenus]

Who says that the Corinthian helmet was not used. It was the most widespread type of helmet until all Greece was conquered by the Romans, and that is speculative in the game.

Even Romans used it for a period of time...influenced from the Greeks of Sicily and Italy...

Both of you are clearly not well versed in Ancient History. I've been studying the early Roman army for a few months now, and they did use the Corinthian helmet for an extremely short period of time, maybe 150 years and that's it. After that, the Italians developed their own versions of the helmet, versions which gave better hearing and ventilation, which was vital in the rugged terrain of Italy, but at the cost of less protection. Helmets like the Apulo-Corinthian, Italo-Chalkidian, Samno-Attic. So Greek strategos, this period that you speak of was between about 600 and 450 BCE, no where near the date of this mod.

And yes Darth, you are right that the Corinthian helmet was the most common helmet in Greece, but this was at the period of the Persian Wars. And you are completely wrong that it was the most popular up until the Roman's conquered Greece. Many different helmets had replaced the Corinthian by that time, hell, even in Alexander's time there was no Corinthian helmets. At the time of this mod, the Greeks should be using helmets like the Pilos, Chalkidian, Phyrgian, Attico-Phyrgian, Thraco-Attic, Thraco-Chalkidian and the Chalkido-Phyrgian.

The Greeks had completely abandoned the Corinthian helmet by the 4th C BCE. If you think otherwise, I would like to see your evidence. But it amuses me that you say the helmet was the most popular in Greece until Rome conquered it. Do you think once it was conquered, the Greeks had to stop using their own equipment and start using Roman?

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Both of you are clearly not well versed in Ancient History. I've been studying the early Roman army for a few months now, and they did use the Corinthian helmet for an extremely short period of time, maybe 150 years and that's it. After that, the Italians developed their own versions of the helmet, versions which gave better hearing and ventilation, which was vital in the rugged terrain of Italy, but at the cost of less protection. Helmets like the Apulo-Corinthian, Italo-Chalkidian, Samno-Attic. So Greek strategos, this period that you speak of was between about 600 and 450 BCE, no where near the date of this mod.

And yes Darth, you are right that the Corinthian helmet was the most common helmet in Greece, but this was at the period of the Persian Wars. And you are completely wrong that it was the most popular up until the Roman's conquered Greece. Many different helmets had replaced the Corinthian by that time, hell, even in Alexander's time there was no Corinthian helmets. At the time of this mod, the Greeks should be using helmets like the Pilos, Chalkidian, Phyrgian, Attico-Phyrgian, Thraco-Attic, Thraco-Chalkidian and the Chalkido-Phyrgian.

The Greeks had completely abandoned the Corinthian helmet by the 4th C BCE. If you think otherwise, I would like to see your evidence. But it amuses me that you say the helmet was the most popular in Greece until Rome conquered it. Do you think once it was conquered, the Greeks had to stop using their own equipment and start using Roman?

Are you serious??? Can't you see what I wrote???
I said for a period of time and yet you repeat what I said with another words...also I didn't said anything about the specific mod's timeframe and the Corinthian helmet...I talked about the general use of the helmet from Romans...
Also I have quite a knowledge of my country's History...I'm not using wikipedia or other internet sources and just copy paste their info thinking my self as an expert...
May I see your Historical sources???
And try to be more civil next time...

[airborne guy]

@Spenyi... Dont critisize people for making mods to the game. If you want to argue, go elsewhere

[Biggus Splenus]

@Spenyi... Dont critisize people for making mods to the game. If you want to argue, go elsewhere

Are you serious??? Can't you see what I wrote???
I said for a period of time and yet you repeat what I said with another words...also I didn't said anything about the specific mod's timeframe and the Corinthian helmet...I talked about the general use of the helmet from Romans...
Also I have quite a knowledge of my country's History...I'm not using wikipedia or other internet sources and just copy paste their info thinking my self as an expert...
May I see your Historical sources???
And try to be more civil next time...

Guys, your getting me all wrong. I'm not criticising, I'm just pointing out that if this mod uses the helmet, it is well out of its time frame. I guess I am just sick of people using ridiculous features in their mod just because it looks "cool".

And Greek strategos, I am sorry that I did that. I guess now I am confused that you actually bought this up: "Even Romans used it for a period of time...influenced from the Greeks of Sicily and Italy..." because it doesn't really relate.

May I see your Historical sources???
And try to be more civil next time...

Again, I apologise if I came on like this, I didn't mean to.

But should I actually need to sight my sources? Do you agree with the Corinthian helmet being used in the time period of this mod?

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Guys, your getting me all wrong. I'm not criticising, I'm just pointing out that if this mod uses the helmet, it is well out of its time frame. I guess I am just sick of people using ridiculous features in their mod just because it looks "cool".

And Greek strategos, I am sorry that I did that. I guess now I am confused that you actually bought this up: "Even Romans used it for a period of time...influenced from the Greeks of Sicily and Italy..." because it doesn't really relate.

Again, I apologise if I came on like this, I didn't mean to.

But should I actually need to sight my sources? Do you agree with the Corinthian helmet being used in the time period of this mod?

No worries we are cool...I also like History and ancient warfare...bit Darth use the Corinthian helmet it's not ahistorical at all...
After playing E.B which the most historical mod ever, (just mention it to show that others used it too) you should see that they also use the Corinthian helmet for Roman and Hellenic Units and I assure you the team members are mostly historians and researchers...take a look if you like it on the forums...
Cheers...

[Biggus Splenus]

No worries we are cool...I also like History and ancient warfare...bit Darth use the Corinthian helmet it's not ahistorical at all...
After playing E.B which the most historical mod ever, (just mention it to show that others used it too) you should see that they also use the Corinthian helmet for Roman and Hellenic Units and I assure you the team members are mostly historians and researchers...take a look if you like it on the forums...
Cheers...

No sir, they are not Corinthian helmets, they are most likely Chalkidian. There is a distinct difference in the make and form of the helmet.

[♔Greek Strategos♔]

Thank you!

hmm so I will try and reply if there are ctd's, right?

I think there is a folder to install them anywere in twcenter.net forums :-D

You're welcome...
Yes you should reply buddy and tell us the results...

No sir, they are not Corinthian helmets, they are most likely Chalkidian. There is a distinct difference in the make and form of the helmet.

I believe they are Korinthian but I wont fight you to the death about it...this time...
It's playtime for me now...Assassin's Creed 3 is calling me...

[DARTH VADER]

Splenyi
The mod is not stiffly historically accurate. The realism comes mostly from the battle dynamics and the textures used, but certainly it is not be referred to like an encyclopaedia. It has many speculative units, such as Roman Infantry copies for many factions (that may survive in this game and not die as in History).
Also the Corinthian helmet is used by some hellenic units in the mod. Most Greek units use the helmets you mentioned and this to depict that there was variance. According to sources in books, the Corinthian Helmet was gradually not used but continued to exist in slight variations, like the Italo-Corinthian until 1st Century AC. Certainly, if the Greek were not conquered by the Romans, this traditional type of helmet would have evolved and be used for more centuries.

[Biggus Splenus]

Splenyi
The mod is not stiffly historically accurate. The realism comes mostly from the battle dynamics and the textures used, but certainly it is not be referred to like an encyclopaedia. It has many speculative units, such as Roman Infantry copies for many factions (that may survive in this game and not die as in History).
Also the Corinthian helmet is used by some hellenic units in the mod. Most Greek units use the helmets you mentioned and this to depict that there was variance. According to sources in books, the Corinthian Helmet was gradually not used but continued to exist in slight variations, like the Italo-Corinthian until 1st Century AC. Certainly, if the Greek were not conquered by the Romans, this traditional type of helmet would have evolved and be used for more centuries.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "that may survive in this game and not die as in History". It was first thought by historians that these "Imitation Legionaries" derived directly from the Roman warrior, but more recent research shows that the Hellenes developed it from multiple influences (Celts and Thracians at the top). Only one formation that I know of was directly adopted from Romans; the Seleucid Agema formation. One thing for sure is that the Celtic and Roman warrior were very a like.

Anyway, these "slight variations" you speak of are far from slight; they are complete evolutions of the original helmet. The Apulo-Corinthian (Italo-Corinthian, whatever you want to call it) is very different. You also say that the helmet was in use until 1 C AD, but this is extremely arguable. The helmet ceased to found in archaeology at the turn of the 3rd C BCE, but remained in artwork until the date you mentioned. So it depends on what you rely upon more; art or archaeology (my thoughts lie with the latter, not the former, because I find it more reliable).

I think if we want 100% historical accuracy we need a time machine and go back to the timeframe to watch the science by ourselves.

Everyone knows it's impossible to recreate a 100% accurate simulation of a unit, but we can always use the evidence available, and the speculations made by dozens of experts, to create something half-satisfactory.