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    Interesting news, especially the bit about the US being a net exporter by 2030. The drive to become energy-independent is definitely paying off it would seem, and you'd have to be crazy to think this development won't have resounding geopolitical implications.

    Hopefully it won't have too much of an impact on the research and development of emergent energy technologies.

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    U.S. to Be World’s Top Oil Producer in 5 Years, Report Says


    A drilling rig near Kennedy, Tex. There are several components of the sudden shift in the world’s energy supply, but the prime mover is a resurgence of oil and gas production in the United States.


    By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL
    Published: November 12, 2012
    The United States will overtake Saudi Arabia as the world’s leading oil producer by about 2017 and will become a net oil exporter by 2030, the International Energy Agency said Monday.

    Oil facilities in North Dakota. The International Energy Agency said the United States would be a net exporter of oil by 2030.

    That increased oil production, combined with new American policies to improve energy efficiency, means that the United States will become “all but self-sufficient” in meeting its energy needs in about two decades — a “dramatic reversal of the trend” in most developed countries, a new report released by the agency says.

    “The foundations of the global energy systems are shifting,” Fatih Birol, chief economist at the Paris-based organization, which produces the annual World Energy Outlook, said in an interview before the release. The agency, which advises industrialized nations on energy issues, had previously predicted that Saudi Arabia would be the leading producer until 2035.

    The report also predicted that global energy demand would grow between 35 and 46 percent from 2010 to 2035, depending on whether policies that have been proposed are put in place. Most of that growth will come from China, India and the Middle East, where the consuming class is growing rapidly. The consequences are “potentially far-reaching” for global energy markets and trade, the report said.

    Dr. Birol noted, for example, that Middle Eastern oil once bound for the United States would probably be rerouted to China. American-mined coal, facing declining demand in its home market, is already heading to Europe and China instead.

    There are several components of the sudden shift in the world’s energy supply, but the prime mover is a resurgence of oil and gas production in the United States, particularly the unlocking of new reserves of oil and gas found in shale rock. The widespread adoption of techniques like hydraulic fracturing and horizontal drilling has made those reserves much more accessible, and in the case of natural gas, resulted in a vast glut that has sent prices plunging.

    The report predicted that the United States would overtake Russia as the leading producer of natural gas in 2015.

    The strong statements and specific predictions by the energy agency lend new weight to trends that have become increasingly apparent in the last year.

    “This striking conclusion confirms a lot of recent projections,” said Michael A. Levi, senior fellow for energy and environment at the Council on Foreign Relations.

    Formed in 1974 after the oil crisis by a group of oil-importing nations, including the United States, the International Energy Agency monitors and analyzes global energy trends to ensure a safe and sustainable supply.

    Mr. Levi said that the agency’s report was generally “good news” for the United States because it highlighted the nation’s new sources of energy. But he cautioned that being self-sufficient did not mean that the country would be insulated from seesawing energy prices, since those oil prices are set by global markets.

    “You may be somewhat less vulnerable to price shocks and the U.S. may be slightly more protected, but it doesn’t give you the energy independence some people claim,” he said.

    Also, he noted, the agency’s projection of United States self-sufficiency assumed that the country would improve gas mileage in cars and energy efficiency in homes and appliances. “It’s supply and demand together that adds up to this striking conclusion,” Mr. Levi said.

    Dr. Birol said the agency’s prediction of increasing American self-sufficiency was 55 percent a reflection of more oil production and 45 percent a reflection of improving energy efficiency in the United States, primarily from the Obama administration’s new fuel economy standards for cars. He added that even stronger policies to promote energy efficiency were needed in the United States and many other countries.

    The report said that several other factors could also have a large impact on world energy markets over the next few years. These include the recovery of the Iraqi oil industry, which would lead to new supply, and the decision by some countries, notably Germany and Japan, to move away from nuclear energy after the Fukushima disaster.

    The new energy sources will help the United States economy, Dr. Birol said, providing continued cheap energy relative to the rest of the world. The energy agency estimates that electricity prices will be about 50 percent cheaper in the United States than in Europe, largely because of a rise in the number of power plants fueled by cheap natural gas, which would help American industries and consumers.

    But the message is more sobering for the planet, in terms of climate change. Although natural gas is frequently promoted for being relatively low in carbon emissions compared to oil or coal, the new global energy market could make it harder to prevent dangerous levels of warming.

    The United States’ reduced reliance on coal will just mean that coal moves to other places, the report says. And the use of coal, now the dirtiest fuel, continues to rise elsewhere. China’s coal demand will peak around 2020 and then stay steady until 2035, the report predicted, and in 2025, India will overtake the United States as the world’s second-largest coal user.

    The report warns that no more than one-third of the proved reserves of fossil fuels should be used by 2050 to limit global warming to 2 degrees Celsius, as many scientists recommend.

    Such restraint is unlikely without a binding international treaty by 2017 that requires countries to limit the growth of their emissions, Dr. Birol said. He added that pushing ahead with technologies that could capture and store carbon dioxide was also crucial.

    “The report confirms that, given the current policies, we will blow past every safe target for emissions,” Mr. Levi said. “This should put to rest the idea that the boom in natural gas will save us from that.”

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    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    Emm, apart from supporting Israel, the proxy control of the majority of oil resources gives the US better cards in international diplomacy and enforcement of its goals, as well as boosting faith in the US currency.
    I'm not saying it's so, but that it may be. Plus motiv-8, this change didn't happen overnight. I'd say it's been going for probably at least five or six years now, if not a decade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    Yeah, certainly makes our imperialist ambitions look pretty ridiculous... oh... wait... you were being sarcastic?
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    Environmentalists will not be happy and any attempt to move America to non-fossil fuels will be hurt by the allure of cheap (one hopes) and plentiful oil beneath American soil.

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    The report warns that no more than one-third of the proved reserves of fossil fuels should be used by 2050 to limit global warming to 2 degrees Celsius, as many scientists recommend.

    Such restraint is unlikely without a binding international treaty by 2017 that requires countries to limit the growth of their emissions, Dr. Birol said. He added that pushing ahead with technologies that could capture and store carbon dioxide was also crucial.

    “The report confirms that, given the current policies, we will blow past every safe target for emissions,” Mr. Levi said. “This should put to rest the idea that the boom in natural gas will save us from that.”
    Yeah, good luck with that.
    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    Because American interests and multinational company profits have little to do with covering USA's needs for oil. American interests include having a strong word on the price of oil through their allies and more importantly... American companies are in for the $$$$.
    American companies sell oil they produce in middle east to other countries. Most of your foreign oil comes from Canada and South America IIRC. It would be insane to carry oil from the middle east all the way to USA when you have other countries next to you that produce oil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    As Tarleton pointed out but drew the wrong conclusion, it has to do with markets.

    This is good news in the event of total disaster where we could effectively supply ourselves while nationalizing and price fixing our production but other than that is has nothing to do with the price.

    We did invade Iraq for oil, it is the only reason to do anything in the Gulf. We lost one pillar of our "twin-pillar" strategy when we lost Iran. We need another pillar. Having only one major player in the game to be able to influence is not at all the same as having two. Having stable oil means stable prices, means stable economies which means the world is better off. We needed Iraq to be our second "pillar". Neo-Con doctrine was vocal on this and I completely agree with them, it was the execution that sucked. Getting the Saudis to pump more has been an effective price control in the past. Having Iraq and Saudi working together is doubly effective. Granted they will squeeze out profits all day when the going is good, but we need to have the ability to squeeze them when the going is bad. Iraq under Saddam was basically a ton of oil sitting out on the sideline for no damn reason, we needed it in play.

    Now that said will this do anything to lower prices at the pump? No, we're already paying historically lowish prices because we are in a glut globally and consumption has actually fallen as American consumers are now more adaptable and ready to simply "stop driving" when prices go up.

    Now you may be saying "But Pugs, gas is almost $4.00 a gallon in California and I remember when it was $1.00, how can you say we are paying historically low prices?"

    I'm not pricing oil in dollars, I'm pricing it in gold. But hey "we aren't experiencing inflation".

    Want gas prices to come down? Stop pumping new money into the economy via QE and deficits and bring us back to sanity. Too bad we'll be running a 1T deficit for probably ever.

    FYI all that "drill baby drill" nonsense from Alaska....................yeah some of that oil goes to the West Coast, the majority of it goes to Japan priced at a premium. Gotta get paid. Our booms are occurring in California and Texas..........the traditional drilling and refining states. Drill and cap for a rainy day. I like our future, but I'd rather prices at the pump to come down, but that has nothing to do with the oil companies or OPEC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    ive been saying that whole over the forum for years now!!!
    all these times where arabs and leftwingers say that this and that happeneds only because america wants oil
    that 911 was inside job to get oil and all your other theories
    it was all so easy to prove as wrong by just checking how much oil does america really import from the middle east

    but damn leftists (curse be upon their black soul) never care for truth they just invent garbage and infect the whole world with it

    half the posts of half the forumytes here are about america invading iraq for oil and god know what
    and whats truly making me angry is that none them spawns of hell will admit to it

    journalists that know the truth and write the opposite should be tried for libel
    journalists that dont know should be tried for not bothering to get their facts straight before libeling
    and should be thrown into jail for a long time

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    Quote Originally Posted by ash874 View Post
    ive been saying that whole over the forum for years now!!!
    all these times where arabs and leftwingers say that this and that happeneds only because america wants oil
    that 911 was inside job to get oil and all your other theories
    it was all so easy to prove as wrong by just checking how much oil does america really import from the middle east

    but damn leftists (curse be upon their black soul) never care for truth they just invent garbage and infect the whole world with it

    half the posts of half the forumytes here are about america invading iraq for oil and god know what
    and whats truly making me angry is that none them spawns of hell will admit to it

    journalists that know the truth and write the opposite should be tried for libel
    journalists that dont know should be tried for not bothering to get their facts straight before libeling
    and should be thrown into jail for a long time
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    Because by tapping and not using the wealth of their own nations they ensure when the wealth of the Middle East will dry up they will be secure in their bunker fortress. Which is sick and downright wrong if you ask me. Typical American Orientalist and Colonialist thinking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Central Asian Qaghan View Post
    Because by tapping and not using the wealth of their own nations they ensure when the wealth of the Middle East will dry up they will be secure in their bunker fortress. Which is sick and downright wrong if you ask me. Typical American Orientalist and Colonialist thinking.
    Why don't you ask the Saudis, Iraqis, and Libyans how much oil they have left. Maybe you'll rethink your theory there.
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    Hmm, yes, Mr Qaghan, you really ought to read the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by motiv-8 View Post
    I was actually pretty surprised to see that we only import some twenty percent of out total oil. How is it that we're so embroiled in the Middle East, supposedly for "oil" and "imperialist" purposes, over such a small proportion, which will be eliminated in a matter of years? Lots of paradigms not adding up these days.
    That entire argument never made sense. People didn't really seem to realize that oil is a commodity. It's traded globally on a stock market. It doesn't' really matter where its' coming from, it's about supply and demand. The "War for Oil" people seem to think that by removing Saddam we would take over all the oil or something. The only reasonable conspiracy theory is that oil special interests wanted us to target their competitors which were nationalized to drive up oil prices. Except in reality Iraq was the one destroying Kuwaiti wells. The US certainly wasn't trying to sabotage Iraqi oil supplies in the second war. Plus the war was a major deficit for the country. I mean yeah Cheney hooked up his buddies at Halliburton, but that is the industry they work in and that's a ridiculous excuse for a career tarnishing war. Bush and Cheney were already rich and powerful. Doesn't make sense to enter a war you don't need to be in if you're already on top of the world.

    I think it's possible American policy against Saddam just happened to be that he needed to be contained or deposed.

    But if hypothetically we were going to fight a war for oil I'd support it. Hummer 2 > Geneva Convention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton View Post
    It doesn't' really matter where its' coming from
    Yes it does: Brent Crude is different to West Texas Intermediate and is priced differently, for example.

    The "War for Oil" people seem to think that by removing Saddam we would take over all the oil or something.
    You did, you open up the country to Western oil companies for exploration and production when previously the company may have been previously been closed to such companies. Much of the world's oil reserves are currently held by national oil companies (NOCs), in countries where international oil companies (IOCs, e.g. BP, Exxon) are not allowed to operate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaun View Post
    Yes it does: Brent Crude is different to West Texas Intermediate and is priced differently, for example.
    Brent is like 20 bucks more. Both WTI and Brent are subject to global oil stability which is why we "unlocked" the Iraqi oil.

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    More like frack baby frack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthias View Post
    More like frack baby frack.

    I, for one, congratulate Obama and progressive policies for this new morning in America. An upswing economy, an energy independent country, and who gets the credit? Well, whoever is President, and thank goodness it's Obama
    Fine, he gets credit for everything good and bad that happens during his tenure, but that means his endorsement of gay marriage is going to officially be the cause of any and all hurricanes during his presidency, not this global warming nonsense.
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    Fine, he gets credit for everything good and bad that happens during his tenure, but that means his endorsement of gay marriage is going to officially be the cause of any and all hurricanes during his presidency, not this global warming nonsense.
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