Libertarian Cause

[PointOfViewGun]

If you could but didn't vote in the elections please vote as "Don't care."

Libertarian Party buoyant; Greens hopeful

His nationwide vote count -- the highest count of the minor-party candidates -- represents about 1.2 percent of the total popular presidential vote in the 48 states in which Johnson ran, a UPI analysis of Tuesday's results indicated. Johnson was denied ballot positions in Michigan and Oklahoma.


His vote count also beat the previous Libertarian Party record, set in 1980 by lawyer-politician Ed Clark, of 921,128 votes, or 1 percent of the nationwide total.

While Libertarians seems to got the highest vote so far they're negligible by comparison. However, I believe the fact the media only pays attention to Republicans and Democrats is a self-fulfilling prophecy. We had presidential debates aired by major channels but we couldn't see all the candidates in those debates. Media ignoring third party candidates is the largest contributor to their lack of success or relevance.

Do you think Libertarians will be more relevant now that the Republican party failed?

[Big War Bird]

Do you think Libertarians will be more relevant know that the Republican party failed?

No.

[I WUB PUGS]

Do you think Libertarians will be more relevant know that the Republican party failed?

Not with the 0% coverage they got. The icon of the "Party"; Paul, wasn't even an afterthought this time around.

They can do better by focusing on state elections and the US House. These grand plans of doing anything nationally can't even gain ground until the Republican party kills itself.

[Menelik_I]

Do you think Libertarians will be more relevant know that the Republican party failed?

What failure ?

Obama victory margin was smaller than in 2008 and the GOP still holds the House and control a lot of State Houses and Governor office, they failed to unseat Obama but are not defeated.

The only thing the Libertarians will manage is to make the Dems win next 5 presidential elections with their Machiavellian schemes.

[I WUB PUGS]

What failure ?

Obama victory margin was smaller than in 2008 and the GOP still holds the House and control a lot of State Houses and Governor office, they failed to unseat Obama but are not defeated.

The only thing the Libertarians will manage is to make the Dems win next 5 presidential elections with their Machiavellian schemes.

I think you're being really overly hopeful. The tell tale isn't the numbers. The Dems took ground, but that's not what everyone is really freaking out about in the GOP.

The GOP is freaking out about the amount of money they spent in the battleground states and in those contested House and Senate races...............................and they still lost. Some of the losses are almost unbelievable.

This wasn't nearly as impressive as the 2010 Congressional Election, but this isn't nothing like you keep saying it is.

But you're also thousands of miles away and you're just a GOP fanboy and you don't get to read the Facebook and Twitter comments of your overwhelmingly Republican friends and family who donated thousands of dollars and were supremely confident that they could easily win the State of Florida for Romney along with easily taking Wisconsin and Virginia. I have plenty of people in my life that are literally "beaten" right now.

[Menelik_I]

I think you're being really overly hopeful. The tell tale isn't the numbers. The Dems took ground, but that's not what everyone is really freaking out about in the GOP.

The GOP is freaking out about the amount of money they spent in the battleground states and in those contested House and Senate races...............................and they still lost. Some of the losses are almost unbelievable.

This wasn't nearly as impressive as the 2010 Congressional Election, but this isn't nothing like you keep saying it is.

But you're also thousands of miles away and you're just a GOP fanboy and you don't get to read the Facebook and Twitter comments of your overwhelmingly Republican friends and family who donated thousands of dollars and were supremely confident that they could easily win the State of Florida for Romney along with easily taking Wisconsin and Virginia. I have plenty of people in my life that are literally "beaten" right now.

I actually have a better gauge then facebook posts and twitter, so I know that the loss is really demoralizing, and that people feel really down. But the real test is 2014, if they lose the House then the situation will really be FUBAR.

I have an honest question about all this Libertarian Party talk : Could someone provide/cite some Libertarian electoral success ?

I hear a lot of people saying how the GOP don't listen to Libertarians, but where does Libertarians actually win and deliver electoral victories on their platform ? AFAIK the LP platform was never put to the test of incumbency, and last I check most Libertarians get elected in safe republican constituency (Rand Paul, Ron Paul, Gary Johnson). So who to says that if they go national they won't get utterly destroyed because they already have gay marriage and pot in common with Democrats, while their difference on policy are even more right wing than Republicans. Why wouldn't the get trounced too

What are exactly the libertarian platform elements that would win them against Democrats in a hypothetical head on clash.

[alhoon]

But you're also thousands of miles away and you're just a GOP fanboy and you don't get to read the Facebook and Twitter comments of your overwhelmingly Republican friends and family who donated thousands of dollars and were supremely confident that they could easily win the State of Florida for Romney along with easily taking Wisconsin and Virginia. I have plenty of people in my life that are literally "beaten" right now.

Well, it wasn't that much of a suprise, they should have braced themselves for a defeat in those states. They were after all... battleground states.

[Trey]

Well, it wasn't that much of a suprise, they should have braced themselves for a defeat in those states. They were after all... battleground states.

They were defeated in every single swing state.

[ELITEOFKINGWARMAN8]

What failure ?

Obama victory margin was smaller than in 2008 and the GOP still holds the House and control a lot of State Houses and Governor office, they failed to unseat Obama but are not defeated.

The only thing the Libertarians will manage is to make the Dems win next 5 presidential elections with their Machiavellian schemes.

What? Is the Big two parties any better?

[YukonTrooper]

Should your "not eligible to vote" options include a) not eligible but would b) not eligible but wouldn't? I ask because you're including non-US citizens in your criteria.

[PointOfViewGun]

Should your "not eligible to vote" options include a) not eligible but would b) not eligible but wouldn't? I ask because you're including non-US citizens in your criteria.

Both. If you're a non-U.S.A. citizen than vote not eligible regardless of your desire to vote for him or the lack of it.

A) No.
B) The reason the media ignores Libertarians isn't "Not Republican or Democrat", it's "Not relevant". Nobody cares. News stations don't air stuff nobody cares about.

Not really. They ignored Ron Paul when his rallies was gathering the most people dwarfing any of the Romney's. CNN even edited out Ventura's endorsement of Gary Johnson.

[xcorps]

If you could but didn't vote in the elections please vote as "Don't care."

Libertarian Party buoyant; Greens hopeful
While Libertarians seems to got the highest vote so far they're negligible by comparison. However, I believe the fact the media only pays attention to Republicans and Democrats is a self-fulfilling prophecy. We had presidential debates aired by major channels but we couldn't see all the candidates in those debates. Media ignoring third party candidates is the largest contributor to their lack of success or relevance.

Do you think Libertarians will be more relevant now that the Republican party failed?

A) No.
B) The reason the media ignores Libertarians isn't "Not Republican or Democrat", it's "Not relevant". Nobody cares. News stations don't air stuff nobody cares about.

[Elfdude]

No. Libertarianism does not make a good governmental policy. Some things need to be libertarian, some things need to be authoritarian, some things need to be liberal and etc.

More importantly the tea party != libertarianism and needs to be rightfully pegged as the home of idiocy and ignorance that it is. The Tea Party lost the republicans the election and worse.

[I WUB PUGS]

No. Libertarianism does not make a good governmental policy. Some things need to be libertarian, some things need to be authoritarian, some things need to be liberal and etc.

More importantly the tea party != libertarianism and needs to be rightfully pegged as the home of idiocy and ignorance that it is. The Tea Party lost the republicans the election and worse.

I'm all in for Palin/West 2016!

[Elfdude]

I'm all in for Palin/West 2016!

Oh please god. That might just end the republican party once and for all. On the other hand you can't really trust people to do the smart thing in elections. It would spell the end of the the US if the republicans took everything back with a ballot like that.

[Vanoi]

I'm all in for Palin/West 2016!

Allen West: Protecting America from communist Democrats.

[xcorps]

Not really. They ignored Ron Paul when his rallies was gathering the most people dwarfing any of the Romney's. CNN even edited out Ventura's endorsement of Gary Johnson

Because the only people who care about Ron Paul are Paulites. And they are the only ones deluded enough to think he had a shot at the POTUS. Ron Paul made a lot of noise and brought up some worthwhile discussions, but at the end of the day he's Ron Paul and he's not going to ever be President.

[PointOfViewGun]

Because the only people who care about Ron Paul are Paulites. And they are the only ones deluded enough to think he had a shot at the POTUS. Ron Paul made a lot of noise and brought up some worthwhile discussions, but at the end of the day he's Ron Paul and he's not going to ever be President.

I don't see any argument there other than a slight insult to call a group of people delusional. Try to stick to topic rather than evading responding to posts properly.

[Menelik_I]

I don't see any argument there other than a slight insult to call a group of people delusional. Try to stick to topic rather than evading responding to posts properly.

Let me try an on topic question then : What are the policy positions that would carry Ron Paul, or any hypothetical Libertarian candidates to win against Obama ?

They both agree on Social issues, so the only contrast is on the economy, where the Libertarian platform is more radical than the GOP. How does that doesn't result in a Obama landslide.

[PointOfViewGun]

Let me try an on topic question then : What are the policy positions that would carry Ron Paul, or any hypothetical Libertarian candidates to win against Obama ?

They both agree on Social issues, so the only contrast is on the economy, where the Libertarian platform is more radical than the GOP. How does that doesn't result in a Obama landslide.

Let's not make you feel ignored. There are quite many issues that would appeal to voters:
Closing foreign bases and returning troops which helps with spending.
Shifting the power back to states on issues (abortion, drugs, etc.) which appeals to both Democrats and Republicans.
Return of liberties.
Not treating groups of people in U.S.A as potential criminals.