[HS] Young Bloods of Westeros, Third edition

[FelipeÁvila]

Tyrell up.

[ebs]

Martell have 88 loses i have 605?
can MOD owner explain me this ? if dont have good answer i will leave this HS and never play again Westeros HS..

[Mithridate]

I took a save after every battle, so if admin wants to double check the battles, feel free to ask me for a copy.

I see nothing indicating foul play and see no reason to investigate, but be careful with taunting/bentering It can easily come back to bite you in the ass (Trust me, i know )

The fact i regularly employ Ponies may or may not actually make it even worse^^

Martell have 88 loses i have 605?
can MOD owner explain me this ? if dont have good answer i will leave this HS and never play again Westeros HS..

This is a complicated question, But basically, this is westeros. If attacker is an obvious winner then they usually take VERY small losses. If they barely win they take what id call somewhat normal losses as seen in other hotseats (whom you can also get these kind of wins from, just need a lot better odds/luck)

Assaulting castles and forts seem to cause pretty normal results assuming its relatively big battles tho.

I suggest you read this (yes, all of it part from the links), and then PM me any questions and ill answer as able.
Hopelessly hopeless or Loose Cannon may be able to shed some light on how the coding and stuff works but its pretty complicated until you get into it ( im not, im well versed in the cause and effect of it all but not a modder )

Do we have to find a new player to replace you, or will you play on?

Shi.t happens, its not the end of the world
Edit: lets give him a little extra time to cool and respond, for you Ebs

[Badger-dude]

I had superior numbers, a better general (by a star), and likely as not superior troops (I expect you put heavier troops with Loras... I never checked the army disposition)

Dornish troops usually suck in AR battles due to worse stats, but in this case I was quite lucky.

I took a save after every battle, so if admin wants to double check the battles, feel free to ask me for a copy.

[Louis XVI]

Removed image, censor bypass -EoH

[Badger-dude]

That's one way of putting it

I did warn you.

Perhaps Edric will be more sensible, having seen the foolish circumstances of his uncles's demise...

[Louis XVI]

His uncle you mean, Edric is the son of King Robert Baratheon and Delena Florent and the Stormlords are still in the grand council discussing the recent events.

[Badger-dude]

My mistake, I am tired after slaughtering so many of your footmen

[ebs]

I like MOD owner to explain me..
Also i see Badger-dude is a make some MOD for Westeros.. so maybe he is do something?This is not a normal fight.. he is loses we must be something between 350-500.. not 88..

[Dux]

I like MOD owner to explain me..
Also i see Badger-dude is a make some MOD for Westeros.. so maybe he is do something?This is not a normal fight.. he is loses we must be something between 350-500.. not 88..

Dude, cut down the attitude. Mith offers you the only known explanation, this is just the way it is in Westeros enhanced and all other alpha submods.

It is as Mith said, in Westeros the attacker has superior advantage and often wins with crazy odds, these odds shown here were not the strangest I've seen.

If you don't like it, leave. Just remember that it works both ways, if you were the attacker in the battle shown you would have totally crushed Dayne with few losses.

Suggesting that Badger dude did something to mod this result is offensive to him.


Also, the admin will surely look into this rule breaking. Did the fort directly influence that last battle?

[Badger-dude]

I like MOD owner to explain me..
Also i see Badger-dude is a make some MOD for Westeros.. so maybe he is do something?This is not a normal fight.. he is loses we must be something between 350-500.. not 88..

I resent the assertion that I am somehow cheating through my development of a separate submod. That is a VERY serious allegation. There is actually a setting where the game should flag when files are modded and should not allow that person to play.

(-_-)

Lets keep this civil. Personal attacks against my integrity (and the intergiry status of my game files is 'Good' I will have you know!) are not what hotseating is about.

Martell broke the rules, he clearly used a fort with only 1 unit in it, this is in violation of the fort rules of this hotseat and now clearly has far reaching consequences. I ask the admin for a remedy and ask him to keep in mind the great damage sustained by the reach and the stormlands.

I freely admit that I forgot the rule about fort garrisons. I too am new to hotseating and have not had to use forts before in the other hotseats I am currently involved in (Thanks for the heads up, I now need to add more un its to my fort in Fire and Blood ).

HOWEVER, I do not believe that me having three more units in my fort rather than in the other armies would have made a dramatic difference to the outcome, as the other forces suffered close to no casualties as it was.

Nor do I believe that three units would have deterred you from attacking through the Dornish mountains. As such, the battle outcome would be the same.

From my diplomatic PMs, I knew that you had three armies coming. As such, I positioned my forces so that they would surround and out manoeuvre you own, with the fort as a chokepoint.

Dayne, as a nightfighter, is limited to a fullstack of troops. Even if I had three more units in that fort, they would have consisted of the Yronwood cavalry (as cavalry as much superior in sallying than in other AR battles, IMHO). Thus, the battles would have played out identically to the way they did.

Dayne could still have attacked with an identical fullstack to the one used in the battle. Yronwood/Oberyn would have had less troops available, but they suffered 0 casualties as it was.

In fact, if I had committed three more units to the fight against Loras (from the fort), then it is likely that you'd have suffered even greater casualties. I would most likely have lost FEWER men if I had more men in that fort, to be quite honest.

The fort rule is a defence against fort-spamming. A single fort is not spamming.

In my opinion, it is not as 'serious' a 'rule breach' as the most commonly breached rule, (armies defeated by a play that comes after them....), which is usually caused by forgetfulness - as was in this case. I apologise for this and it is a lesson learnt on my part.

My victory was down to the use a of combined arms assault, exploiting my general's abilities to their full potential, and outmanoeuvring your forces.

I have won a victory in the first battle(s) of a long and bloody war. It will not be the biggest turning point. Do not worry, you can recover. Don't let this put you off hotseating.

It is up to Mith to decide what to do. *Shrug*

The war is not lost, Tyrell. A victory does not make me a conqueror. My forces have returned to their homes. I suggest you look to your enemies to the North and use this defeat as a lesson. One defeat does not mean you have lost the hotseat, chin up!

[Louis XVI]

Martell broke the rules, he clearly used a fort with only 1 unit in it, this is in violation of the fort rules of this hotseat and now clearly has far reaching consequences. I ask the admin for a remedy and ask him to keep in mind the great damage sustained by the reach and the stormlands.

[ebs]

[*]Forts need to have a garrison of at least 4 units, to limit fort spamming a bit.

also this rule is breached..

[Louis XVI]

Ebs is being a bit dramatic I agree but your vital fort for this battle was against the rules, saying that the rule is against fort spamming is irrelevant because whatever the reason of the rule the rule exists. I will leave this at the discretion of the admin now.

[Badger-dude]

I'm not saying the rule is irrelevant by any means. I am just saying that the forces involved in each battle would have been identical, and as such the outcome would have been the same.

It's up to Mith what to do

[ebs]

@Dux

MOD's made from players for players right? So how one player is can make MOD where is working like this..?This battle is typical Human player against Computer.. u have 50-100 loses in first face to face impact.. then Computer running and u follow and slain everyone.. so u like this? this is a young blood mod right?MOD where is for only battles not build any buildings or trying to have good eco.. so after this my loses how i can feel ti play again?where is the feeling to fighting?i need 5-6 turns to have this army again but for Martel is need just 1-2 turn to retrain he is loses.. where is the feeling that you went to war and after a tough battle for both sides have heavy losses?im new in HS and i never make big battle like this in other HS where i play but i see some screens and dont have difference like this.. I just dont understand and dont accept.. players make MOD's for players and have like this..


@Badger-dude u say let a be civil but u put this avatar?and then speak for be civil?i dont think u are thinking for being civil..
also i dont care for winning any HS i just like to play.. and be more interesting with Human player then playing against Computar... so im here only for fun.. but when have like this i dont get this fun..


my english is bad and i cant write everything where i think but this is enough...

[Badger-dude]

@Dux

MOD's made from players for players right? So how one player is can make MOD where is working like this..?This battle is typical Human player against Computer.. u have 50-100 loses in first face to face impact.. then Computer running and u follow and slain everyone.. so u like this? this is a young blood mod right?MOD where is for only battles not build any buildings or trying to have good eco.. so after this my loses how i can feel ti play again?where is the feeling to fighting?i need 5-6 turns to have this army again but for Martel is need just 1-2 turn to retrain he is loses.. where is the feeling that you went to war and after a tough battle for both sides have heavy losses?im new in HS and i never make big battle like this in other HS where i play but i see some screens and dont have difference like this.. I just dont understand and dont accept.. players make MOD's for players and have like this..


@Badger-dude u say let a be civil but u put this avatar?and then speak for be civil?i dont think u are thinking for being civil..
also i dont care for winning any HS i just like to play.. and be more interesting with Human player then playing against Computar... so im here only for fun.. but when have like this i dont get this fun..


my english is bad and i cant write everything where i think but this is enough...

You lost about 1200 men, from memory. You still have about 1000 remaining. It is not as if I surrounded and annihilated your armies. Nor did you lose Loras, one of your best starting generals.

In fact, this helps your economy as you no longer need to pay the upkeep for those men.

If you had attacked my armies, I would have lost a similar amount of men - but that is war. There are risks involved.

As an in-universe example, Stannis lost tens of thousands of men at Blackwater, whereas Tyrell/Lannister/Joffrey lost a few thousand. Not all battles have 50/50 losses. One side has to lose, and this time it just happened to be yours. If you had attacked me instead, I likely as not would have lost everything.

My avatar was uploaded last night, and is a modified picture of Doran Martell - It was aimed at Renly more so than yourself (Renly's loss is much greater than yours). It was merely a jest - and Doran Martell is, as we know, one of the greatest Trolls in ASOIAF making everyone believe he is a weak and incompetent fool while orchestrating the first invasion of Westeros since the Targaryens....

But seeing as it offends you so much, I have changed it.

It may seem a little bad taste, but you can't argue from any high ground after making assertions about my character and calling me a liar and a cheat.

Dux made the Youngbloods mod as an improvement on 0.53 Enhanced, and lots of people have put a LOT of work into it to make it balanced and fun. Sometimes, however, tactical skill allows a decisive victory such as this.

In AKORAH hotseat, Arryn (Uricaya) recently upset Stark's plan through a surprise naval assault, cutting Stark's King off and slaying him in the field. That was a great use of tactics.

Here, all I did was attack your forces in the field and win a victory due to superior numbers and better troops. Why does this seem like the end of the world? I have not surprise attacked everyone of your settlements?

I invite you to set up your own singleplayer hotseat campaign with IDENTICAL circumstances, and to post screens of the battle outcome... Also, while you are at it, fight the same battles, but with you as the attacker. I bet you'll win, with a similar outcome as to my victories.

Edit:

Regarding the fort, could you explain to me why you did not pick this up on either your or Renly's turn. You seem to have chosen to ignore it when it benefited you (while you moved your forces to besiege it). I have already admitted that I forgot the rule, but as I have said the same outcome would have been reached and the same armies would have participated...

[Dux]

@Dux

MOD's made from players for players right? So how one player is can make MOD where is working like this..?This battle is typical Human player against Computer.. u have 50-100 loses in first face to face impact.. then Computer running and u follow and slain everyone.. so u like this? this is a young blood mod right?MOD where is for only battles not build any buildings or trying to have good eco.. so after this my loses how i can feel ti play again?where is the feeling to fighting?i need 5-6 turns to have this army again but for Martel is need just 1-2 turn to retrain he is loses.. where is the feeling that you went to war and after a tough battle for both sides have heavy losses?im new in HS and i never make big battle like this in other HS where i play but i see some screens and dont have difference like this.. I just dont understand and dont accept.. players make MOD's for players and have like this..

I don't understand what you are trying to say.

All I changed from the original enhanced mod was allowing greyjoy and martell to build everywhere.
All the things you were trying to mention (I think) were from the original alpha release, and nobody of that team is around anymore.

If you don't like it, leave.

[ebs]

U say is easy.. if u dont like leave.. but u dont say the AR is dont work good so we can try to edit this and be more fairly..
so mod team is not here so will not have any chances i think?

so admin u can search new player.. when found someone i will leave..

[Dux]

We'll definitely have no changes no, that is impossible in an already ongoing hotseat.

Westeros 1.0 does not relate in any way to the old beta version, we are creating that from scratch.