Kingdom of Kartli ( Caucasian Iberia )

[JERUSALEM]

My History Oriented Edit Mostly Focusing on Caucasus and Sychtian/Sarmatian Nations...
http://s11.postimg.org/cnvaig9s2/rome2searegions.jpg

If game starts at 270/264 BC when Iberia and Colchis must be united under the Kingdom of Iberia (or Kartli). Alani and Zigii should be omitted from the land you have placed them, because
Alans came in North Caucasus in 1st c. BC. and Zigii never lived in Chechnya, but at the Western part of North Caucasus. Also the capital city of region of Lazistan must be Trapezunt (Trebzond)
not Atina. The North Caucasus was controlled by the Sarmatians, hence they have to be the lords of Caucasian steps. I agree with you about the Suirakes and Aorsi, but they have to be placed
in the North of Caucasus, I mean their camp has to be in the north, quiet far from the Caucasian mountains.

[Nesij]

If game starts at 270/264 BC when Iberia and Colchis must be united under the Kingdom of Iberia (or Kartli). Alani and Zigii should be omitted from the land you have placed them, because
Alans came in North Caucasus in 1st c. BC. and Zigii never lived in Chechnya, but at the Western part of North Caucasus. Also the capital city of region of Lazistan must be Trapezunt (Trebzond)
not Atina. The North Caucasus was controlled by the Sarmatians, hence they have to be the lords of Caucasian steps. I agree with you about the Suirakes and Aorsi, but they have to be placed
in the North of Caucasus, I mean their camp has to be in the north, quiet far from the Caucasian mountains.

Thanks alot for the reply!

This was originally a post on an another map thread but I thought it wouldn't get much response (and it didn't get any response) so I posted here to get your views!

On Iberia
Going to Unite Iberia and Colchis (my bad I totally forgot!). Do you think the default map is fairly accurate? Iberia didn't extend south enough imo (see the Pontus map above) Armenia covers South Iberia. And Colchis (Iberia) might have covered more of the coast. What about the Laz people aren't they part of Iberian Kingdom? (Trapezous area) or maybe Pontus or independent?You guys know alot more about this area far more than I do.
Northeast Caucasus
I was never comfortable placing the Alani, they are Sarmatian people also as you probably know. I will remove them. I think Malkh/Ingush people lived there before.
I am not sure how to represent ancient Ingush-Chechen peoples, Amjad Jaimoukha thinks Zygii are speaking the same language (he is an expert on Caucasus in general, but does not specialize in Northeast Caucasus).
I know they were there for centuries if not thousands of years, and quite sure they had a loose tribal union like the Maeotae to the west.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...hnya#The_Zygii
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History..._the_Scythians
(The links are not too long to read)
To me Zygii seems like the best candidate.

Northwest Caucasus

The Bosphorus Kingdoms control of the Northwest Caucasus is exaggerated; certainly did not extend much far from the coast.
Maeotae was probably the largest country around here but was a very loose confederation. The political union can be compared to Greeks (at best) when they faced a foreign invader they united temporarily.
Could divide up Maeotae to include Sarmatian (Ixomates for example) and Maeotian tribes (Sindika).

I could add more coastal people like Cercetea, Heinochi, ...etc.
I don't think Iberian Kingdom or Bosphoran Kingdom controlled the central part of the Black Sea coast. (not sure)

Its just to get an accurate picture of the region, going to add more detail. Maybe for a historical-realism Caucasus mini-mod project later on.

[oOIYvYIOo]

My friend ,i think you wont have any luck with this idea.
You should try with the modds we have for RTW .

[Nesij]

My friend ,i think you wont have any luck with this idea.
You should try with the modds we have for RTW .

You mean the mods for original game or wait for the second game?

[oOIYvYIOo]

You mean the mods for original game or wait for the second game?

For RTW.
And perhaps with TWR 2 if any of the modding teams accept this idea valid and worth to use it.

[OldStyle]

another map i found just by accident

[Nesij]

Yes this guy makes lots of historical maps. Not always accurate though. Here is one closer the games starting time period:

[Caucasian Iberia]

During the Invasion of Pompey in Iberia from Armenia, Iberia was outnumbered 10-1, so Iberian woman were shooting long Bows to Romans. Roman legions had significant loses from BowWomans.

Romans burned woods to fight against woman who were covering in woods and killing romans with Bows

[Sixer19]

[OldStyle]

Can we just ask CA guys if they will ever even consider putting Caucasian factions in there? or are we just wasting time with this?

I mean we know its not in Top 10 factions but it was definitely in TOP 50 at that time.. I will be really really disappointed if neither faction makes it to the game seriously if there are 50! factions and there isn't either of Iberia/cholchis/albania I will be Hugely disappointed...

If they don't put those factions in game its because information about Georgia is so damn hard to find and even historians in UK and USA will not have much to say about it.. GEORGIANS NEED TO PUT MORE STUFF ON THE INTERNET!!!! seriously we need to put our history out there so ppl know... otherwise it will never get anywhere... how will CA know about it if no one in their country has slightest idea, they wont go to Tbilisi libraries and museums just for putting one of 50 minor factions in game lol... -_- So we need to put Tbilisi libraries and museums ON THE INTERNET

[Caucasian Iberia]

legendary fortress of nymphs "Kajetis cikhe", mentiones in the poem "Knight in the panther's skin" written by Georgian Poet Shota Rustaveli in 12th century.

[oOIYvYIOo]

Mate your showing us more facts after the millenium than before and existance of this people on ancient times.
PLease stop it.

[ivery]

Caucasian Iberia and Colchi is Non-Playable

[Tadzreuli]

my new sketch

[Caucasian Iberia]

[OldStyle]

Did you guys see these maps ? are those some kind of placeholder province colors or are they going to be colchis and iberia ?

[JERUSALEM]

I think it is good information for those who like to see the Georgian factions in rome 2 total war!!!

here you see the extract from the map of Pontic faction and just in the north of the city of Trapezos (Trapezunt, Trapizon) you can see woman, or man is carrying the banner that has the depiction of golden fleece - and as far as I can guess, it is the banner of Kingdom of Colchis
the banner is brown and has depiction of golden fleece definitely, and I do not think that it belongs to Armenia, but to Colchis!!!



here is the map that shows the border of Kingdom of Colchis just in the east of the Trapezos (dark blue), you can see the Colchian faction borders in brown.





so, any ideas? am I correct?



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[OldStyle]

Wow where is that picture from ? are there any others like it.. its certainly very hard to say who that is. by the way its dressed my first guess would've been Armenia but i don't know maybe you're right.

also I saw a map somewhere that showed Caucasus as a region with mtsketa being the capital city and regions colchis, iberia, albania. I think that's pretty good. with the colors we can presume that all 3 regions belong to 3 different kingdoms, I wonder if they will be allied kingdomsas they were, or will we see one of them swallowing the other two in the first few turns.. hmm interesting I'm definitely gonna play Pontus and help one of those become an empire

[JERUSALEM]

Wow where is that picture from ? are there any others like it.. its certainly very hard to say who that is. by the way its dressed my first guess would've been Armenia but i don't know maybe you're right.

also I saw a map somewhere that showed Caucasus as a region with mtsketa being the capital city and regions colchis, iberia, albania. I think that's pretty good. with the colors we can presume that all 3 regions belong to 3 different kingdoms, I wonder if they will be allied kingdomsas they were, or will we see one of them swallowing the other two in the first few turns.. hmm interesting I'm definitely gonna play Pontus and help one of those become an empire

No it is certainly not Armenian banner, this is an agent who is moving towards the Armenia, besides we know the Armenian flag, or banner of
antique period which is shown on the crown of King Tigran I the Great (BC 95-56).

See the crown of the king on the official coin of King Tigran II the Great which has a depiction of two birds and the star between them





so, the Armenian flag is exactly known, and i think this agent is Colchian agent moving from Colchis to Armenia. less probably an Iberian (Kartlian)
agent, as Iberia is not connected with the Golden Fleece, and its banner should be different.




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[OldStyle]

oh You mean the agent guy, i thought u meant the army in the back. i don't know though on my screen it just looks plain white. so I'l just go with your observation