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    Default Electing a new Sherriff (aka Police and Crime Commissioner)

    Is this whole thing a good idea or not?

    In England and Wales we’re about to get to vote for the first time on who gets to be our local area’s Police and Crime Commissioner. True but dull.
    It’s a bit like the way they elect county Sheriffs in the US except that this being England we’ve ballsed it up by removing all of the glamour and cool factor and made it boring, bureaucratic and just generally a bit shite.

    I usually take my democratic responsibilities seriously, on account of hating everyone equally, but on this occasion I’m struggling to give a rat’s arse.
    This feels like a personal moral failing.
    I’ll still vote I just won’t know what the feck I’m doing.

    Are other people having these problems?
    What’s it like in the US? Do people actually care who the Sherriff is?
    Does this kind of thing happen in other parts of the world?

    What qualities make a good PCC?
    Should catching wife beaters be more or less of a priority than catching people driving too fast? Bearing in mind that the police here get some of the money raised in speeding fines back and they can then spend it on other things, like more doughnuts and more speed cameras.
    Is stopping people being rude about the gays less or more important than stopping druggies breaking into houses?
    I don’t feel as though I know or care enough about the police to make an informed decision on how they spend their money.
    On a personal and professional level I have always tried to limit my contact with the police as much as possible.

    My choices are:
    An independent who was on the last incarnation of the authority that ran the police in this area. He says his priorities include drug dealing, sex crimes, domestic violence, hate crime and anti-social behaviour (the prevention of rather than the commissioning of said offences).
    I don’t like him because he sounds like an apparatchik. Although I don’t know enough to make a sound judgement about him.

    A Tory. An ex-army officer. He’s big on openness and accountability. Doesn’t say anything meaningful about priorities as far as I can decipher. Probably a smart move.

    A Liberal. Also a former member of the Police Authority. Says he wants to cut bureaucracy, do more wife beating and sex crime, more community sentences, more restorative justice...
    On a side note it is a proven medical fact that what the Liberals say before elections generally bears no relation whatsoever to what they do afterwards.

    A Labourite. Opines that I’m entitled to peace of mind. (I never doubted it.) He doesn’t like ‘the cuts’, seems very agitated about that. Says that he is experienced in leading large public sector organisations. (Apparently that is supposed to be a point in his favour – it really isn’t.)

    A UKIPer. This seems a little odd to me because the European Union and whether or not this country leaves it has nada, zip, rien to do with how the police are run. But there you go.
    Says he’ll put the victim’s interests before the criminal. Doesn’t like political correctness. He will force the doughnut munchers to walk the streets rather than fill out forms..... and other traditional Tory themes.



    Where is none of the above?
    Is it a legitimate expression of democratic choice to spoil my ballot paper by drawing male genitalia on it instead of putting crosses in boxes?
    Last edited by Vizsla; October 31, 2012 at 12:13 PM.

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    Default Re: Electing a new Sherriff (aka Police and Crime Commissioner)

    Democratic accountability is vital in any police force. The bad cops need to be weeded out.


    The Tory one sounds good for this.
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    Default Re: Electing a new Sherriff (aka Police and Crime Commissioner)

    Yeah we don’t usually do things that way in this country.

    We invariably hold an inquiry which takes several years. Long enough for most people to have lost interest and enable the proper white washing procedure to function effectively. Then we decide there needs to be an institutional reorganisation. In extreme cases we sometimes find a scapegoat or sacrificial lamb, the choice depending on how many people still remember and whether criminal charges or if there is a high risk of getting sued successfully. Often normal white washing standard operating procedure is resumed on appeal.

    In summary I begin to suspect the PCC isn’t going to change jack .

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    I know, I am British myself, but I think this is the right course of action. While the police where I live in Belgium are incompetent, the ones in Britain are just corrupt, and in serious need of an independent, elected person to straighten them out.


    I understand your scepticism though.
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    The liberals haven't even fielded a candidate in my area (not that I care), the Labour candidate apparently has no face and nothing to say according to the police election website, the Tory guy only says he wants to reduce crime and then there are two independents and the UKIP candidate. I suppose since the last 3 are the only ones who seem to have provided any significant amount of information about why I should vote for them it will have to be one of them. I think I am leaning towards the independents though since I'd rather not have a political party fulfilling the role. Having said all that though it just seems like a gigantic waste of money to me, which will do very little to change the way the police service operates.


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    I think electing police officers is a bad idea. Here are just two reasons for that

    1. Running for office costs money. Therefore, you need financial supporters. (Almost) nothing is free in this world so you will inevitably "owe" someone. That's bad enough in the case of a lawmaker, but almost worse when it comes to those who directly enforce the laws (since a law is abstract it is harder for the lawmakers to play favorites in specific cases).

    2. The public doesn't know what makes a good PCC. Therefore, their perception of what's "good work" will affect the PCC's own judgment. E.g. the public wanting a high rate of solved crimes/offences could result in him focusing on areas where it is easier to catch people, even if the crimes/offences are quite minor.

    3. Political parties getting to enforce the same laws that they created seems dangerous to me as well.
    Last edited by Astaroth; November 01, 2012 at 03:32 AM.

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    Default Re: Electing a new Sherriff (aka Police and Crime Commissioner)

    In New England (is best England) the Sheriffs are basically powerless and the county governments are purely an administrative level. Basically they oversee criminal transportation and run the county jail and such. The fact they're elected serves little purpose except another thing informed citizens have to stick their noses into. (To clarify, by what I mean, it's another thing we have to educate ourselves about before we vote.) I'd rather the governor or someone just appointed them. We only have 10 counties, it's not like this is Texas (over 250 counties.)

    I'm of the understanding out west Sheriffs have more executive power in which case an election seems reasonable.

    I don't know much about British law enforcement except that they recruit giggling midgets in pith helmets.

    Last edited by Col. Tartleton; November 01, 2012 at 10:56 AM.
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    Is that a recruiting poster?

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