Elven Units are way too powerful...

[Vampiresoap]

I had never played as one of the evil factions before, since it's so easy. But this time I chose Orcs of the Misty Mountains, just to see what would happen. And look what I just found, I rallied 4000 orcs to attack Rivendell, which was only guarded by 900 high elves...And they beat the crap out of me, more than 2000 orcs just ran away without even putting up a fight

[ElvenKind]

Rivendell can be defended by couple of archers and 3 or 4 spear units, I don`t know how AI defends, never played against my own kind

Tell me, how did they defend?

[Vampiresoap]

Rivendell can be defended by couple of archers and 3 or 4 spear units, I don`t know how AI defends, never played against my own kind

Tell me, how did they defend?

Just several elite melee and ranged units all standing right in the square...I mean, the position shouldn't really matter when you have so few. I know they are all wearing heavy armors and all, but it's just....

[knicolas2]

it´s pretty clear how you lost then if they had elites.. there was no chance for you.. with i guess mostly snaga and goblin and a few heavy goblin against yes eldar sword / spearmen

[Vampiresoap]

it´s pretty clear how you lost then if they had elites.. there was no chance for you.. with i guess mostly snaga and goblin and a few heavy goblin against yes eldar sword / spearmen

Yeah, it's just crazy how fast the snaga units turned white......

[ElvenKind]

Just several elite melee and ranged units all standing right in the square...I mean, the position shouldn't really matter when you have so few. I know they are all wearing heavy armors and all, but it's just....

Just several elite melee and ranged units.. My friend, you were lucky. AI was good as I can see.

Give me 3 Elite Spearmen and 3 Heavy Archers and one Family member with Cavalry bodyguard ( I usually send Elrond to Mithlond) and you can send Trolls at me too. That last bridge crossing just before you enter Elrond`s House, that`s a stronghold.

[Eönwë]

And they are too powerful because you lost?

900 elves against 4000 orcs...you already knew what the outcome would be didn't you?

I think it is supposed to be like that but playing evil factions overrules the fact that Elves are expensive and hard to get cause of the many cheats, for the player that chooses High Elves it is a challenge but due to all the cheats/bonusses the AI gets it doesn't apply for the High Elves anymore when playing an evil faction...

[knicolas2]

that it is .

depends on how many units defend imladris. if it are to many 10 units and more especially to many archers it can be quite easy to overrun them except the fact they have their elite spearmen / swordmen and you no trolls. then you should better auto resolve.

[Vampiresoap]

that it is .

depends on how many units defend imladris. if it are to many 10 units and more especially to many archers it can be quite easy to overrun them except the fact they have their elite spearmen / swordmen and you no trolls. then you should better auto resolve.

Auto resolve gives me a crushing defeat...Generals are all dead, the entire army annihilated

[knicolas2]

Auto resolve gives me a crushing defeat...Generals are all dead, the entire army annihilated

ook. then tell me what sort of units you had and the enemy.. ?

[Stylix]

Starve them out, make them sally out to fight you.

[Garriath]

Starve them out, make them sally out to fight you.

The issue with that is that the garrison script being what it is, it's likely to fire a second time before the siege ends, doubling the number of high elves the OP needs to put up with.

This is the one and only part of the garrison script I really, really hate.

[Zimmy]

Never, EVER autoresolve. Unless it's 10-3 in your advantage or something.

[Heheggg]

Of course high elves units are powerful ,did you see their cost? =.= What did you expect when you charge a bunch of low tier units into a choke with elite elven units which archers on the side.
You'll need some trolls to break their ranks, other than that don't expect snagas to take rivendell from the Noldor.

[Garriath]

Of course high elves units are powerful ,did you see their cost? =.= What did you expect when you charge a bunch of low tier units into a choke with elite elven units which archers on the side.
You'll need some trolls to break their ranks, other than that don't expect snagas to take rivendell from the Noldor.

As someone else pointed out, though, the frustrating bit is that, because of their AI bonuses, computer-controlled Noldor armies aren't really smaller than other factions' armies. Because of their infinite money, enormous growth bonuses, and free dreadstacks, no matter what faction you're playing, you're guaranteed to be significantly outnumbered.

As factions like the High Elves or Rohan, where any one of your unit cards can easily obliterate an "equivalent" enemy, this isn't a big deal.

As the more moderate factions, like Eriador and Dale, where your units aren't necessarily a whole lot better than your enemy's, it's kind of an issue.

As either of the goblin factions, though, it's an enormous deal. Your units are incredibly weak (except for trolls) and so your only hope is to outnumber your enemy. But their massive bonuses make that pretty impossible.

I remember reading someone posting here a few months ago that the goblin factions aren't really meant to be playable. I'm not sure I'd agree with the sentiment- the goblin factions *can* be a hell of a lot of fun- but they're definitely operating at a very severe disadvantage when compared with everyone else.

[ajak60]

I had never played as one of the evil factions before, since it's so easy.

Isengard

[Salah-ad-deen]

I played as the OOMG and I took Rivendell very early on. Originally they only had a about 3 units including Elrond in Imladris, but with the garrison script it was a lot harder. All I did was wait them out. I didn't even need to fight for Rivendell as they all died and I just walked into the city.

[SRACon17]

OOMG - Orcs Of Misty Gundabad?

[DrDragun]

Rivendell can be taken by OotMM before turn 12 on VH/VH by starvation siege. It's a bit glitchy, but when the AI sallies forth they will only send an incomplete force out. Set up a defensive position and destroy whatever comes do you, then run out the timer. Yes this feel like cheating, but that's the AI's fault... I am trying to starve them so the burden is on THEM to attack ME. I should not be forced to push across that horrible bridge if my strategy is starvation.

Overall I think the elves are well-balanced. They *have* been practicing with their weapons for 100's or 1000's of years, after all.

[eugenioso]

elven units are indeed powerful, but their weakness is there to be seen by all: huge upkeep and slow recruitment time. playing as Isengard, my forces outnumber the elves 3 to 1 as im pushing north, and at worst they can equal me in numbers, but its "only" sword and bow quenya, not a pushover but at least not too hardcore. also, dont try to invade Rivendell unless is with a proper main stack, not with the thousands of nameless snaga, that's only good for feeding. and get a general there too, his morale is invaluable.