Jewish community in Tunisia - towards disappearance?

**hellheaven1987** · October 27, 2012, 03:36 PM

Well...

Tunisia has a long Jewish history - Jews were present in North Africa before the arrival of Islam or Christianity. In good times they prospered and in hard times they bore the brunt of discrimination, but now they are at risk of extinction. Of 100,000 before the creation of Israel in 1948, only about 1,500 are left.

After the revolution that ousted President Zein al-Abidine Ben Ali last year, there have been ominous signs. More than once, hardline Salafists have staged demonstrations shouting "Death to the Jews".

This has alarmed many in Tunis's tiny Jewish community.

"In around 15 years, we start to speak about the Jewish community in the past tense," says Jacob Lellouche, the only Jew who tried to win a seat on the assembly drafting Tunisia's new constitution. (He didn't succeed.)

Ellie Attoun, a 39-year-old businessman, is originally from the south, but during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon in 1982 there were demonstrations against the Jews there and his family relocated to the capital.

He says he was optimistic when the revolution broke out last year, the first episode of the Arab Spring.

"At the beginning we wanted to see Tunisia open, modern with all what we see in Western Europe. We wanted to look like the modern world. But unfortunately, a few weeks and months after there's a small part of Tunisian people [who] are against the modernism that the big majority of Tunisian people want."

One of his concerns now is that "we don't see a real will from the government to act against those people".

I put those concerns to the leader of the Nahda movement, Rachid Ghannouchi, the mainstream Islamist party that leads the current coalition government.

Ghannouchi says Tunisian law prohibits incitement to violence against any group, and that he has reassured representatives of the Jewish community that those responsible will be tried.

No-one has been tried yet, he concedes, but it took America 10 years to hunt down Bin Laden, he points out.

Nahda's attitude is regarded by some Tunisians as a form of double-speak. They accuse it of paying lip service to democratic values - freedom of expression, equal rights to all citizens, rule of law - while in reality having much in common with the ultra-conservative Salafists.

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A sad story indeed, the emerge and growing of Salafists in Tunisia has casted considerable uncertainty about the political future of Tunisia, and in term those who suffer the consequence are generally the minority groups. Furthermore, the anti-Semitic attitude of Salafists and their growing number in Islamic world would unquestionably increase the paranoia of Israel towards Arabic world, and probably results Israel pushes even harder foreign policies towards its neighbors. Yet, we also can interpret that the growing anti-Semitic attitude within Islamic world has more or less to do with past acts Israel committed, and without doubt if Israel introduces even tougher foreign policies in future, it would just fuel the anti-Semitic movements even more. In short, it is just like an infinite loop that has no result except when it is finally crushed into something nonredeemable.

Or perhaps the loop can be broken by a neutral third party, but whatever it is those who suffer would always be civilians.

**prdude1234** · October 27, 2012, 04:43 PM

Can someone tell me why so much hate against the Jews? What have they done that so many people hate Jews? (Jews, not Israelis!)

**Treize** · October 27, 2012, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by prdude1234

Can someone tell me why so much hate against the Jews? What have they done that so many people hate Jews? (Jews, not Israelis!)

We have the Jewish broadcasting service that is part of the public channels. They did a show were a Dutch Jewish teenager goes to Jews in other parts of the world to experience their life. One episode was in Djerba, where there is a Jewish community. Now there was a bomb attack on their synagogue once but lets not forget that the state has since protected the site and the muslims who live there hold no grudge against the Jews.

**hellheaven1987** · October 27, 2012, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by Treize

Now there was a bomb attack on their synagogue once but lets not forget that the state has since protected the site and the muslims who live there hold no grudge against the Jews.

But how long it would last?

**Blaze86420** · October 27, 2012, 05:37 PM

Originally Posted by hellheaven1987

But how long it would last?

We don't know hellheaven, you tell us.

**Heinz Guderian** · October 28, 2012, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by prdude1234

Can someone tell me why so much hate against the Jews? What have they done that so many people hate Jews? (Jews, not Israelis!)

i think alot of it stems from usury, deception and hoarding

**Blaze86420** · October 27, 2012, 05:30 PM

I don't why people even report these things at all, the Salafists were always there, and there's nothing to suggest that they are increasing in numbers. And may I remind you that this is democracy, you know, the thing so many members here wanted in the first place. Allowing people to express their opinions, no matter how archaic, no matter how extreme, is what an open and liberal society is all about. That is why Neo-Nazi are still allowed to be vocal here in the West, alright, that's how it

ing works. I sympathize with Mr. Attoun, but the days of repression are over.

**Col. Tartleton** · October 28, 2012, 03:39 AM

Originally Posted by Blaze86420

I don't why people even report these things at all, the Salafists were always there, and there's nothing to suggest that they are increasing in numbers. And may I remind you that this is democracy, you know, the thing so many members here wanted in the first place. Allowing people to express their opinions, no matter how archaic, no matter how extreme, is what an open and liberal society is all about. That is why Neo-Nazi are still allowed to be vocal here in the West, alright, that's how it

ing works. I sympathize with Mr. Attoun, but the days of repression are over.

Neo-Nazis are allowed to be vocal in the West because they are a minority opinion with no ability to get their way. As such their musings are empty words. It should be stressed that if there was a risk of a Nazi majority take over we liberals would be dumping their bodies into mass graves. Ironic, I know...

As such, radical Muslim groups are fine in small numbers where they are manageable if they stick to talking. If they're in play to get the reigns of power there needs to be harsh measures taken to preserve freedom. Emergency dictatorial powers, and all that.

Not that I'm disagreeing, I'm just being clear where I stand.

Originally Posted by Heinz Guderian

i think alot of it stems from usury, deception and hoarding

My people don't write the rules, but they always win the game.

**truth1337** · October 28, 2012, 06:01 AM

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

Neo-Nazis are allowed to be vocal in the West because they are a minority opinion with no ability to get their way. As such their musings are empty words. It should be stressed that if there was a risk of a Nazi majority take over we liberals would be dumping their bodies into mass graves. Ironic, I know...

But there is a great risk that there will be a new Gulag, considering that while 90 year old senile alleged concentration camp workers are hunted across the globe, many of the grandsons of the Gulag butchers who murdered 60 million white Christians in Russia for monetary profit to the internationalist globalist Jewish bankers - now hold high offices in government or media and still have the same satanic marxist ideas. That's why all focus should be on driving out all marxist influences, not trying to prevent some imaginary "new holocaust".

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

My people don't write the rules, but they always win the game.

You see that's part of the problem - life is not about competition, it is about cooperation and love for one's people, while negotiating peace and good relations with other people by accepting fair diplomatic settlements which are morally fair and that both parties will gladly accept as reasonable, and about not being a threat to others. Trying to compete and take over power over every people on earth and ruling them like cattle, and thinking that this is what life is about, is rather sad. That's winning a competition because there's only one participant in it. If everybody would start competing like the supremacists among the Jews do, with a racist supremacist attitude to all others, those Jews would be toast pretty quickly. And that's why it is so easy to expel Jewry from a country once the local population thinks Jewish repression has reached too excessive levels - when there actually IS competition it is easily won by the tortured host people, who wants their freedom back, since the "power" of the Jewish supremacists is a fragile house of cards and an illusion.

It's only very reluctantly that the host people expel Jewry from a country when their usury, deception and hoarding and other abuse - such as genocides a la Gulag and Palestine, or dominance in the transatlantic slave trade - reach too horrible levels and must be dealt with. This was the case every single one of the 109 expulsions. If you don't learn from this and try to cooperate instead of compete I'm sad to say there will be more expulsions, this potential instance in Libya is just one of many. With the Internet, there's also a greater risk than ever that many people across the globe will unite against International Jewry, since almost every people on earth has some story of being repressed or genocided by Jews.

Europe is, as the Jew Barbara Spectre admitted - seeing a massive increase in anti-semitism because Jews are hated "for their leading role" (as she put it), in ethnic cleansing of white people by anti-procreation propaganda and massive immigration and forced race mixing by the Kaufman-Ignatiev plan for global white genocide created by the Jews Kaufman and Ignatiev. I care more about my own people than about Jews but if Jews want to have any chance of surviving the massive surge of anti-semitism around the globe as a result of such an attitude of competition instead of love and cooperation, then now is the time to search for a way out, such as introducing ethno-nationalism into America (which could result in creating a Jewish state with an actual moral justification at the same time as other parts become white protestant states, white catholic states, black states, and mexican states, and so on).

**frozenprince** · October 28, 2012, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by truth1337

*snip*.

I love these man.

Just for note, I find it cute that instead of just calling them by their names, you call them "The Jew X". Like seriously, broadcast your propaganda louder why don't you.

**Heinz Guderian** · October 28, 2012, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by Col. Tartleton

My people don't write the rules, but they always win the game.

Germany seems to have landed on its feet too.

**~~John ''True Grit'' Wayne~~** · October 28, 2012, 03:47 AM

Originally Posted by Blaze86420

I sympathize with Mr. Attoun, but the days of repression are over.

Sure you do.The days of repression are starting for the Jewish citizens.
There is no democracy in any Muslim country.Or free speech or decent human rights.

**Blaze86420** · October 30, 2012, 10:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jurisprudence Tom Cruise

Sure you do.The days of repression are starting for the Jewish citizens.
There is no democracy in any Muslim country.Or free speech or decent human rights.

Clearly, that's why there are three democratically elected governments in the Arab world currently.

**Dr. Croccer** · October 30, 2012, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by Blaze86420

I don't why people even report these things at all, the Salafists were always there, and there's nothing to suggest that they are increasing in numbers. And may I remind you that this is democracy, you know, the thing so many members here wanted in the first place. Allowing people to express their opinions, no matter how archaic, no matter how extreme, is what an open and liberal society is all about. That is why Neo-Nazi are still allowed to be vocal here in the West, alright, that's how it

ing works. I sympathize with Mr. Attoun, but the days of repression are over.

There's a difference between freedom of speech and death threats. Neo-Nazism is tolerated (to a degree), as is Salafism, but inciting violence against individuals and groups is illegal throughout the Western world. It doesn't have anything to do with the ideology, advocating violence against anyone is unacceptable regardless of the context, and it's disgusting that you're trying to defend it.

'Tolerance' means exactly what it says. Extremist beliefs are allowed to be held, as long as the people who believe in them don't try and break the law because of it.

You've already confused Western democracy with mob rule and now you're confusing tolerance with bending the law for the sake of a bunch of savages. It's no wonder the Middle East is such a

hole when the people have such a warped view on matters.