Netanyahu finally shows his true color!! Likud Party merge with ultra-Nationalist party Yisrael Beiteinu!!

[hellheaven1987]

Well, not surprise be honest, but I have to mention that Yisrael Beinteinu actually does not look like ultranationalist - at least it is secular and some of its foreign policies look rational.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu's party will run alongside that of his ultra-nationalist Foreign Minister, Avigdor Lieberman, in January's election.

Mr Netanyahu said Likud and Yisrael Beitenu's joint list would create a stable government able to deal with the security and economic challenges ahead.

Mr Lieberman said he was confident the alliance could win the election, which has been called nine months early.

Opinion polls put the ring-wing list ahead of leftist and centrist parties.

But a survey published by Channel Two television suggested Likud and Yisrael Beitenu would win more seats in the Knesset as separate entities.

"Unifying lists usually shrinks them," wrote Nahum Barnea in a commentary for the biggest-selling newspaper, Yedioth Ahronoth.

"Anyone who did not tolerate Lieberman and voted for Netanyahu will think twice, and the same is true for those who did not tolerate Netanyahu and voted for Lieberman."

Source

Well consider Netanyahu already push several right-wing policies, this probably does not come into surprise. Furthermore, this move probably is caused little by Israel's foreign policies but more because of Israel's alarming economic situation currently, which results several large protests in past few months and may reduce the support of Netanyahu considerably. Still, the merge of a right-wing party means that in some extend Netanyahu needs to push foreign plan that would satisfy the right-wing group in Israel, such as Lieberman Plan, and it is interested to see how it would play out in future.

[King Gambrinus]

Israel will no longer be able to claim the moral high ground on Iran if they vote in these dangerous fools again...

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Mitt Romney will attack Iran for them.That was his pledge.Also Mitt does not have any regard for the PA or their plight for statehood.He sees them as Apache Indians putting their wigwams up on the white man land.Beware Romney beware he will drag you all to war while drinking Israeli wine with Nethanyahu...

[truth1337]

Yes, Israel is the only country that can get away with being nationalist without being called "OMG nazi". They even recently threw out all black Jews, because they were converts not racial Jews, and said "Israel belongs to the white man" (meaning the white-skinned Jews, e.g. Ashke-nazis and Sephardim). If you own the media it is easy to get away with it, I guess... The sad thing is that Israel can't be compared with those who want to preserve their country and heritage, since they invaded the area as a horde of immigrants, and then drove out and massacred the locals. That is not nationalism (which is a pacifist ideology) - that is the most horrible form of genocide and colonialism. I wish the Jews who are decent people instead support the formation of a Jewish state in America by turning America into a set of ethnical nation states - for that the Jews would actually have a valid casus belli.

So in conclusion I don't think the word "nationalist" should be used about Netanyahu or his new pact, since there are many pacifist-nationalists (including myself) who would be insulted by being grouped together with these psychopaths.

[Menelik_I]

Yes, Israel is the only country that can get away with being nationalist without being called "OMG nazi". They even recently threw out all black Jews, because they were converts not racial Jews, and said "Israel belongs to the white man" (meaning the white-skinned Jews, e.g. Ashke-nazis and Sephardim). If you own the media it is easy to get away with it, I guess... The sad thing is that Israel can't be compared with those who want to preserve their country and heritage, since they invaded the area as a horde of immigrants, and then drove out and massacred the locals. That is not nationalism (which is a pacifist ideology) - that is the most horrible form of genocide and colonialism. I wish the Jews who are decent people instead support the formation of a Jewish state in America by turning America into a set of ethnical nation states - for that the Jews would actually have a valid casus belli.

So in conclusion I don't think the word "nationalist" should be used about Netanyahu or his new pact, since there are many pacifist-nationalists (including myself) who would be insulted by being grouped together with these psychopaths.

Source?

JOOS did it.

[King Gambrinus]

JOOS did it.

Playing the race card yet again. I doubt the 6 million Jews who died in the Holocaust are proud of their compatriots pursuing a racist agenda. But I won't let that stop you justifying anything Israel does...

[s.rwitt]

Source?

[motiv-8]

Source?

There's a collection of a couple thousand black-skinned Jews from a group called the Black Hebrews who began immigrating to Israel in 1969 under the leadership of Ben Ammi Ben-Israel, mostly in Dimona which was founded as a town for mostly North African immigrants in 1955.. In 1973 Israeli Supreme Court ruled that they are not Jewish and denied them citizenship under the Law of Return. Eventually visas expired and many were deported back to the United States, while many others renounced their American citizenship and were put in legal limbo. After a couple decades of sporadic deportations and legal wrangling, American intervention a settlement was reached between the Israeli government and the Black Hebrews in 1990, with permanent resident status established by the government in 2003. Only one Black Hebrew has been granted citizenship to present day.

[Menelik_I]

There's a collection of a couple thousand black-skinned Jews from a group called the Black Hebrews who began immigrating to Israel in 1969 under the leadership of Ben Ammi Ben-Israel, mostly in Dimona which was founded as a town for mostly North African immigrants in 1955.. In 1973 Israeli Supreme Court ruled that they are not Jewish and denied them citizenship under the Law of Return. Eventually visas expired and many were deported back to the United States, while many others renounced their American citizenship and were put in legal limbo. After a couple decades of sporadic deportations and legal wrangling, American intervention a settlement was reached between the Israeli government and the Black Hebrews in 1990, with permanent resident status established by the government in 2003. Only one Black Hebrew has been granted citizenship to present day.

You mean a group of African American US citizens who claimed to be Jews were deported from Israel ? That hardly means that Black were deported from Israel because of their skin color.

You know something called Ethiopian Jews ? The Government of Israel made as much effort to move them to Israel as it did with Yemeni Jews : An expansive Air-lift operation.

There are at least a 100k Ethiopian Jews in Israel ... so I guess the racist Zionists are suffering from poor color vision.

Beta Israel (Hebrew: בֵּיתֶא יִשְׂרָאֵל‎‎ - Beyte (beyt) Israel, Ge'ez: ቤተ እስራኤል - Bēta 'Isrā'ēl, modern Bēte 'Isrā'ēl, EAE: "Betä Ǝsraʾel", "Community of Israel" [5] also known as Ethiopian Jews (Hebrew: יְהוּדֵי ‏אֶ‏תְיוֹ‏פְּ‏יָ‏ה‎‎: Yhudey Etiopiya, Ge'ez: "የኢትዮጵያ አይሁድዊ", ye-Ityoppya Ayhudi), are the names of Jewish communities which lived in the area of Aksumite and Ethiopian Empires (Habesh or Abyssinia), nowadays divided between Amhara and Tigray Regions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_Israel

I guess I debunked the Jews deport black people Israel meme ... do I get a cookie ?

ETA:

To unconfuse the situation the blacks motiv-8 refers too are actually an separate religion founded in America in the 19th centure by Blacks who practice a copycat of Hebraism.

Black Hebrew Israelites (also Black Hebrews, African Hebrew Israelites, and Hebrew Israelites) are groups of people mostly of Black African ancestry situated mainly in the United States who believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites. Black Hebrews adhere in varying degrees to the religious beliefs and practices of mainstream Judaism. They are generally not accepted as Jews by the greater Jewish community, and many Black Hebrews consider themselves — and not mainstream Jews — to be the only authentic descendants of the ancient Israelites. Many choose to self-identify as Hebrew Israelites or Black Hebrews rather than as Jews.[1][2][3][4]
Dozens of Black Hebrew groups were founded during the late 19th and the early 20th centuries.[5] In the mid-1980s, the number of Black Hebrews in the United States was between 25,000 and 40,000.[6] In the 1990s, the Alliance of Black Jews estimated that there were 200,000 African-American Jews, this estimate was based on a 1990 survey conducted by the Council of Jewish Federations and was mostly used to ascertain the number of african-americans who practiced mainstream judaism.[7] The exact number of Black Hebrews within that surveyed group remains unspecified.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Hebrew_Israelites

So nope they are not Jews.

[Sir Pignans]

Man, I hate Lieberman.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

Funny how Israel has 20% Arabs and not 1 Jew is allowed to live in GAZA.
And you get the death penalty if you sell a house to a Jewish family.

[Blaze86420]

Funny how Israel has 20% Arabs and not 1 Jew is allowed to live in GAZA.
And you get the death penalty if you sell a house to a Jewish family.

And yet there are hundreds of thousands of settlers in the West Bank, and more importantly, the PA urges any "Palestinian Jews" to return to the West Bank and promises them citizenship. But what importance do facts hold in an argument with Tom.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

And yet there are hundreds of thousands of settlers in the West Bank, and more importantly, the PA urges any "Palestinian Jews" to return to the West Bank and promises them citizenship. But what importance do facts hold in an argument with Tom.

Show me a source for these ''facts'' you claim...
Show me a source that PA and Hamas are opening their arms to Jews to live among them when it was Abbas himself who said he did not want any Jews living in a future PA state.Jews are not allowed to live in GAZA and the death penalty is there for any man who sells a house to a Jew.The PA are racist terrorists.You only have to look at the Jihad mouse cartoons to see what Hamas think of Jews.Calling for their total destruction.Arabs have it best in Israel.Better than any Arab state in the Middle East.

[Kissaki]

Show me a source for these ''facts'' you claim...
Show me a source that PA and Hamas are opening their arms to Jews to live among them when it was Abbas himself who said he did not want any Jews living in a future PA state.Jews are not allowed to live in GAZA and the death penalty is there for any man who sells a house to a Jew.The PA are racist terrorists.You only have to look at the Jihad mouse cartoons to see what Hamas think of Jews.Calling for their total destruction.Arabs have it best in Israel.Better than any Arab state in the Middle East

Show me a source for these "facts" you claim...

[motiv-8]

So, you say "show me a source" and then make an non-sourced assertion in reply. Nice. Good debating.

Nevermind that the invitation of Palestinian Jews to have Palestinian citizenship is an article in the Palestinian National Charter. I'd expect someone with such strong opinions and clear confidence in knowledge on the subject to be vaguely aware of a rather important historical document on that topic.

Menelik: why don't you chill out for a second with your knee-jerk "I can't ever let somebody say something bad about Israel ever" reactions. I didn't even say Israel was racist, all I did was provide factual information because another poster asked for it.

Also, you do realize that the UN determined Zionism to be a racist ideology in 1975, right? And that it only reversed that stance in 1991 because Israel held the Madrid Peace Conference hostage and refused to negotiate until that resolution was stricken? The racial nature of Zionism isn't related to skin color but to religion, which is why I find this whole thing about black Jews completely strange, including your impassioned defense.

[Menelik_I]

Menelik: why don't you chill out for a second with your knee-jerk "I can't ever let somebody say something bad about Israel ever" reactions. I didn't even say Israel was racist, all I did was provide factual information because another poster asked for it.

I actually complemented the factual information with sources and important things you were missing. You should thank me.

[John ''True Grit'' Wayne]

MYTH

"Palestinian leaders claim that the future Palestinian state will welcome Jews and Israelis."

FACT

The Palestinian Liberation Organization’s ambassador to the United States Maen Areikat said on September 13, 2011, that a future Palestinian state should be free of Jews, a call for ethnic cleansing reminiscent of Nazi Germany. This is not the first time that a Palestinian official has suggested making “Palestine” judenrein and reflects an ugly undercurrent of anti-Semitism within the Palestinian Authority.

Once a Palestinian state is established, why shouldn’t Jews be welcome there? The same question could be asked of any country, but is particularly relevant in the case of the area likely to become Palestine because it has been the home of Jews for centuries.

Imagine the uproar if any Israeli official suggested that no Arabs or Muslims should be allowed to live in Israel. In fact, 1.3 million Arabs live as free and equal citizens in Israel. “After the experience of the last 44 years of military occupation and all the conflict and friction, I think it would be in the best interest of the two people to be separated at first,” Areikat told USA Today.

Areikat insists that the Palestinians need to work on building their national identity, but part of their demand for independence is based on the claim that they already have a national identity. Moreover, how would identity-building be impeded by the presence of Jews, unless you subscribe to Nazi-like ideology about purity of the race and argue that Jews may somehow contaminate the Palestinian nation.

After provoking criticism, Areikat later gave a partial retraction, but his anti-Semitic views have been echoed by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas who said in December 2010, “If there is an independent Palestinian state with Jerusalem as its capital, we won’t agree to the presence of one Israeli in it.” 22
Now Abbas is requesting that the United Nations endorse a Palestinian state that will be founded on anti-Semitism and a promise of ethnic cleansing. The question now becomes whether a body created with the aim of promoting peace, dignity and universal human rights will disgrace itself by voting in favour of a resolution that undermines those principles.

Motiv8 the Ad HOMINEMS ARE BEING DEFLECTED BY MY ARMOUR.STOP THEM AND TRY TO DEBATE PROPER OR I SHALL HAVE TO RETURN FIRE.THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

[Blaze86420]

MYTH"Palestinian leaders claim that the future Palestinian state will welcome Jews and Israelis."

Ok before I even get started, let me make it clear to everyone here that I did not claim Israelis will be welcome in a future Palestinian state, that is one of many strawmen Tom rages against whenever he's arguing with me. What I did say is that Palestinian Jews, that is, Jews who have been living in Palestine prior to arrival of foreign Jews, will be welcome and offered citizenship.

Furthermore, both the Palestinian ambassador Maen Areikat and Mahmour Abbass were referring to Israeli Jews when they made those statements, Tom's accusation of anti-semitism is only another fabrication among his list of many lies and exaggerations he has accustomed himself to using when discussing this topic. He won't say a word about the restriction of Arab immigration into Israel and the state's denial of the Palestinian right of return, which as we all know has left many Palestinians who's ancestors have lived in Palestine for generations, in refugee camps scattered in the Arab world. But when the Palestinian Authority expresses it's wishes for an Israeli free Palestine in the future, Tom finds this outrageous. He's "genuinely" shocked that the natives of the West Bank do not want their occupiers, who pose the single greatest threat to their nation's existence, to be part of this future state. This somehow surprises him, because he believes that after decades of occupation, war, and seizure of Palestinian land by Israel, the Palestinians should allow the same people responsible for this to be part of their future state. He'll invoke the fact that there are Israeli Arabs who receive the same rights as Israeli Jews (not 100% accurate, but that's for another topic) as some indication of Israel's so called moral high ground, all the while conveniently leaving out the crucial point that the Arabs living in Israel have every right to be there as citizens and natives of the land, while Israelis in the West bank do not and are there illegally.

[Diglytron]

I'm would be very dissapointed in the ''normal'' jews if they chose this Zionist regime again. This goverment is truly the worst thing what Isreal could happen. No peace with the arabian nations means that Isreal gets killed at some point. Murica is already losing its might as world power and Isreal should be carefull to not upset the neigbourhood countries to much with the current goverment their foreign policiy.

[hellheaven1987]

I wonder whether Egypt would be so paranoid that they start supporting Hamas to play a proxy war.