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    Another interesting BBC article...

    Earlier this month a Greek-origin Russian businessman, Ivan Savvidi, claimed that Greece only had to give the green light and Russian money would come pouring in.

    "If Greece asks the Russian business community then I can tell you that by October next year Greece will have become a prosperous country," he said. "Russia has not turned its back on Greece in a thousand years - it certainly will not now."

    He was previously a deputy in Russia's State Duma, the lower house of parliament, in the dominant party - President Vladimir Putin's United Russia.

    In August Mr Savvidi became the majority shareholder in PAOK FC, Thessaloniki's top football club and a power in the Greek league, but beset by financial woes until he came along.

    Russian investment in northern Greece, and particularly Halkidiki, is providing some comfort for a region devastated by the economic crisis. The investments range from luxurious villas and more modest holiday homes to hotels, dairies, ports and energy infrastructure.

    Gregoris Tassios, chairman of Halkidiki's Hotel Association, says "there is great interest from Russia for the purchase of land, businesses, summer houses and hotels, and tourist numbers are rapidly rising".

    Since 2008, eight hotels in Halkidiki have been acquired by Russian interests and Greek-Russian joint ventures.

    According to the Hellenic-Russian Chamber of Commerce, 7% of the Russian tourists visiting Greece are interested in buying a holiday home, which translates into 31,000 sales annually.

    Russian tourism to Halkidiki is second only to the Germans, whereas only five years ago the Russians were in fifth place.
    Mr Tassios says that "Orthodoxy and Mount Athos, the historic bonds between the two countries, the proximity of Thessaloniki and the long presence of Pontic Greeks in Russia are all contributing to this trend".

    But Russians are tough negotiators, he adds. "They know the market is depressed and therefore ask for discounts of 30% on everything that attracts their interest."

    Mount Athos is a major attraction for Russians. This monastic, male-only community is one of Orthodox Christianity's holiest sites. Russian President Vladimir Putin made a pilgrimage there in 2005.

    Eleftherios Meletlidis, a hotelier near Mount Athos, says Russian visitors have increased ten-fold since 2002.

    "The Russian market is huge. They are Orthodox, they love Greece. The proximity to Mount Athos is key, since Russians are very devout, much more so than Greeks," he says.

    Besides tourism, Russians were the preferred buyers of a majority stake in the state-controlled dairy Dodoni. Russian energy giants are interested in the Greek natural gas company and there is said to be Russian interest in the port of Thessaloniki and Greece's loss-making railways.
    According to Mr Savvidi - who is a friend of President Putin - Greece missed an historic opportunity, when the crisis erupted, to strike a better rescue deal than the one it now has with the troika of lenders - the EU Commission, International Monetary Fund and European Central Bank.

    "Two years ago, when [then Greek PM] George Papandreou met Vladimir Putin, the Russian side was ready to help; but Athens did not raise the issue", he said.

    He believes that Russian help would have spared Greece its "loss of freedom and sovereignty". He is however hopeful that the new government will prove keener to build a closer relationship with Moscow.

    "The crucial issue is not to waste any more time. I am positive that Russia will not sit idly by. I'm doing all I can to support my ancestral land."

    Despite Greece's membership of the EU and Nato, its friendship with Russia goes back a long way.

    Count Ioannis Kapodistrias, a Greek diplomat who served as imperial Russia's foreign minister, was elected in 1827 as Greece's first governor following independence from the Ottoman Empire.

    During the independence war and nation-building, the aptly named "Russian party" was also one of the nascent nation's major political forces.

    Where once Russia schemed to undermine the Ottoman Turks, its influence now spreads more through business deals.
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    I cannot describe how I feel after reading this article... Yes I know the situation in Greece is tough and any sore of financial investment is quite desirable, but on the other hand we also know that Russia, historically, would use anything to further its diplomat goal - economic domination, military domination... etc, it is quite clear that Russia's motivation in its investment in Greece probably is not just for economic reasons but has some other long regional plan that would further Russia's goal, and it is difficult to say what would happen if a pro-Russia country is guarding the mouth of Black Sea...
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    Nice , they can invest in Portugal too. Wich is a much more important Geostrategy place then Greece. Its a doorway to the atlantic after all, while Greece being a doorway to the mediterranean.
    If US dont like it? well they can invest there too. all we have to do is get out of the euro zone, inflate our coin, and lower taxes, and clean house of the mafia families that control the economic monopoly in Portugal, in other words the state needs to stop protecting those.

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    I don't know, what if Russia uses your guys to play Great Game against EU in near future?
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    What the HELL? Have people forgotten what happened the last time Russia tried to 'help' Greece?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markas View Post
    What the HELL? Have people forgotten what happened the last time Russia tried to 'help' Greece?
    Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it, markas.

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    We bailed out Iceland as well. Still waiting for that naval base in Reykjavik to threaten the British with though....

    Russia and Greece are both Orthodox countries with some common adversaries *see Turkey* and so that's probably as deep as it goes. Oh and Russian developers are getting discount Mediterranean properties well below price so there is something in that too. Not too sure what the Greeks are getting out of it though.

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    Out of all the Great European Powers, Greece historically has had the best relations and dealings with the Russians, and hopefully this relationship will for once be allowed to grow without the interference of the Russophobic West.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    Out of all the Great European Powers, Greece historically has had the best relations and dealings with the Russians, and hopefully this relationship will for once be allowed to grow without the interference of the Russophobic West.
    Confirmation please. Are you referring to Greece or Russia as a "Great European Power"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shneckie View Post
    Confirmation please. Are you referring to Greece or Russia as a "Great European Power"?
    I thought my sentence structure made it quite clear I was talking about Russia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I thought my sentence structure made it quite clear I was talking about Russia.
    Possibly, I was hoping for something to laugh at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Another interesting BBC article...







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    I cannot describe how I feel after reading this article... Yes I know the situation in Greece is tough and any sore of financial investment is quite desirable, but on the other hand we also know that Russia, historically, would use anything to further its diplomat goal - economic domination, military domination... etc, it is quite clear that Russia's motivation in its investment in Greece probably is not just for economic reasons but has some other long regional plan that would further Russia's goal, and it is difficult to say what would happen if a pro-Russia country is guarding the mouth of Black Sea...
    Why should Greece forgot its national interest for the sake of West ?
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    The Jewish bankers undermine European finances, then send in Russia, which certainly isn't clean of its Jewish bolshevist communist past, to buy up more and more control in Europe - which may develop into a future casus belli for Russia to go in and communist-ify or Russian-mafia-ify* Europe. That is certainly not good news, unless these investments are of very minor proportions and just part of the natural "X invest in country Y and Y invests in country X" exchange.

    * and the "Russian mafia" is actually the Jewish mafia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_bACkcDL8

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    Quote Originally Posted by truth1337 View Post
    The Jewish bankers undermine European finances, then send in Russia, which certainly isn't clean of its Jewish bolshevist communist past, to buy up more and more control in Europe - which may develop into a future casus belli for Russia to go in and communist-ify or Russian-mafia-ify* Europe. That is certainly not good news, unless these investments are of very minor proportions and just part of the natural "X invest in country Y and Y invests in country X" exchange.

    * and the "Russian mafia" is actually the Jewish mafia: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG_bACkcDL8
    What a piece of crap and BS. The Russian mafia you are refering too, is much older then bolchevism. And very litle to do with jews. Actualy many were victims of this Mafia.
    But im not suprised this coming from you.
    BNP ? realy? lol foreigns are taking the work of us pure Britsh, what a bunch of Populist demagogy.
    very similar to the Portuguese PNR.
    Ya I agree, but then it is completely Greeks own fault anyway.
    Yes but just like Portuguese case, they were lead by European comission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Knight of Heaven View Post
    Yes but just like Portuguese case, they were lead by European comission.
    And yet you are one of citizens who elected such government, and yet you are also one of citizens that should technically govern the country directly but you throw that political responsibility to so called "representatives", then blame them for everything when it goes wrong.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, we all become a responsible citizens instead pretending our oligarchy system is "democratic"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    And yet you are one of citizens who elected such government, and yet you are also one of citizens that should technically govern the country directly but you throw that political responsibility to so called "representatives", then blame them for everything when it goes wrong.

    Perhaps, just perhaps, we all become a responsible citizens instead pretending our oligarchy system is "democratic"?
    what are you talking about exactly? direct democracy is an ideia that is yet to be tried on a larger scale i think.

    But I didnt elect them. I didnt vote for them, the party i vote for was never part of the goverment actualy. So what is the solution? become a terrorist?
    But many people did though vote in the 2 major parties and belived in their lies, i dont blame them actualy, considering the political options, or they were to obtuse to try something diferent.

    In fact even now they lied big time, that they would never raise taxes and cuting retirement pensions to try to pay the debt, our current prime minister even said it would be even criminal doing that his words not mine, that would undermine economic growth, this during the elections off course he won naturaly people believed in him.

    Guess what he just decided last month? after a year in the goverment? the bigest raise in taxes in 30 years briliant, on top of wich we already paid, the worst acording to the agreement with the Troika there will be much more raises. And hes excuse, its the debt, that we wont be seen as a country that never pays its debts, are they serious?! it wont work as there isnt any economic growth though. I belive even troika is begining to see that, but our goverment its more interested in paying the debt to the germans, then interested in protecting their own nation, and the great clue is they dont even try to renegotiate, not even that but they even put measures even more harsh then the Troika asked.
    To be true if this model fails in Portugal, it will fail too in countries like Spain and italy. I just wont even mention Grecce.

    Sufice to say he just completely destroyed Portugal economy, while trying to pay a debt in wich the deficit keeps rising . The bad thing is we arent Island that can inflate their own coin to make the economy more stable, we cant do that to the Euro naturaly my guess, is the bigger economies will continue to finance our country like we were a region of Europe and not an independent state. In Island they refused to pay the bailout to the Britsh and to the ducth, until now they didnt payed a penny the Britsh and ducth goverments, were able to save the banks, but if im not mistaken island was flaged as terrorist state not long ago recently though they are trying to enter in the EU.
    Hell the germans even want the power of veto on fiscal matters, in the Countries that were bailed out i tell you it has been much more effecient then invading Poland and start a costly war in europe.

    All ministers are currently afraid of the people, they dont go outside without big measures of security. Even on the 5th of October a national day in wich we celebrate the Implementation of the Republic, it was the first time in the history of the Republic that celebrations were made at closed doors. celebrating the Republic without the people amazing.
    Every weekend there is big protests mind you.
    You can ultimatly say its people fault for voting in the same crooks ever again, but imo its the polititians at fault too. You cant excuse blatant lies like that.
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    I'm looking forward to Jews returning to Greece in large numbers, the Germans robbed us of our Jewish population.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stavroforos View Post
    I'm looking forward to Jews returning to Greece in large numbers, the Germans robbed us of our Jewish population.
    Your accounting practices have suffered ever since.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I WUB PUGS View Post
    Your accounting practices have suffered ever since.
    Indeed, another reason why the Germans caused this economic crisis!

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    (god I can't wait for the person to take that seriously)

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    Indeed, another reason why the Germans caused this economic crisis!

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    (god I can't wait for the person to take that seriously)
    I'm sick and tired of lazy Greeks blaming my country. I realize Merkel is an idiot, but she'd run your country better than any of your guys.

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    FREE THE NIPPLE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hellheaven1987 View Post
    Another interesting BBC article...

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    I cannot describe how I feel after reading this article... Yes I know the situation in Greece is tough and any sore of financial investment is quite desirable, but on the other hand we also know that Russia, historically, would use anything to further its diplomat goal - economic domination, military domination... etc, it is quite clear that Russia's motivation in its investment in Greece probably is not just for economic reasons but has some other long regional plan that would further Russia's goal, and it is difficult to say what would happen if a pro-Russia country is guarding the mouth of Black Sea...
    Yeah, because the Americans invested in Greece in the 50s solely for our nice sun, right? Nothing to do with geopolitics.
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