[HS] Last Stand

[Mithridate]

Vozd, glad for your verdict. Uriyaca i know exactly what you feel... glad you seem to be overcoming it

Im a paranoid sob for a reason If you want, PM me and we can
make a list together of all those we need to make suffer for their transgressions!

( jokes aside, this is part of hotseating. happens, reap terrible vengeance! )
Now, me suddenly checking this thread at the same time of this betrayal... TOTALLY coincidence

[Dux]

Vozd, glad for your verdict. Uriyaca i know exactly what you feel... glad you seem to be overcoming it

Im a paranoid sob for a reason If you want, PM me and we can
make a list together of all those we need to make suffer for their transgressions!

( jokes aside, this is part of hotseating. happens, reap terrible vengeance! )
Now, me suddenly checking this thread at the same time of this betrayal... TOTALLY coincidence

No coincidence, this happens everywhere you go


This is a serious offence in the eyes of the gods. The Stormking swore before the Holy Seven that he would honor the NAP. Breaking such promise is.... unforgivable.

I have consulted the High Septon, and he went praying. I expect an answer from him and the gods soon.

[complete noob:(]

That's what I like, creating havoc And if I didn't do this, I would still lose. So whether I'm gangbanged by 3 factions or by 2, I would've lost anyway, with no economy. If Dux attacks me, I will lose, no matter what. This will simply allow me to live a bit longer (hopefully). And just remember, in the Game of Thrones, you win, or you die. Betrayal is the name of the game. And tell me how on earth I have conspired with First Men? I have not attacked, so what? I was kinda side-tracked by being attacked by my fellow Andals

[vozd]

Wow! just now took a look at this, nice job I must say I am quite shocked that Mudd didn't fort Darry, but quite happy about it

And that was just begining!

But I must think what to do with Stormking.
If he moved his armies from Dragonstone, that's about 3000 good soldiers ready for party.

And uriyaca, don't get too upset. He doesn't have steady income, you have.
For every soldier which you lose you can recruit 2. He can't. Just next time play without mercy!

Vozd, glad for your verdict

I'm living to serve.

[vozd]

And tell me how on earth I have conspired with First Men?

Well, both Mudd and Bolton attacked me on your persuasion.

But, as I said before: Game of Throne !!!

[complete noob:(]

So for attempting to make my enemy some enemies, that is conspiring? Plotting for my own good perhaps, but I was never in league with them. Honestly I thought I was stating the obvious when I said they should attack you

Say this: I grant Martells full control over the Sea of Dorne. I will peacefully leave the following settlements alone:
Mistwood, Blackhaven, Stonehelm and Rainhouse. I will not attack King Martell and Ulwyck when they return south.

The only thing I have broken is the NAP. I did not lie in front of the Gods and men. I granted you full control over the Sea of Dorne, did I not? I left the settlements alone, did I not? (I left them alone for 1 turn, which counts, as you did not specify the timeframe, something you should've done). I have not attacked the "King" of Dorne, now have I? And why on earth would I attack my liege's son-in-law?

- Mathos Dondarrion, Lord Protector of the Stormlands, Lord of Purple Lightning, soon-to-be Warden of Dorne

As to me "agreeing to honor the NAP", I never once said I would honor it, so any Gardener attack into Storm/Crownlands is an act of outright aggression and greed, not the will of the gods.


As to the post below me, all I have to say is

[Uriyaca]

So for attempting to make my enemy some enemies, that is conspiring? Plotting for my own good perhaps, but I was never in league with them. Honestly I thought I was stating the obvious when I said they should attack you



The only thing I have broken is the NAP. I did not lie in front of the Gods and men. I granted you full control over the Sea of Dorne, did I not? I left the settlements alone, did I not? (I left them alone for 1 turn, which counts, as you did not specify the timeframe, something you should've done). I have not attacked the "King" of Dorne, now have I? And why on earth would I attack my liege's son-in-law?

- Mathos Dondarrion, Lord Protector of the Stormlands, Lord of Purple Lightning, soon-to-be Warden of Dorne

As to me "agreeing to honor the NAP", I never once said I would honor it, so any Gardener attack into Storm/Crownlands is an act of outright aggression and greed, not the will of the gods.


As to the post below me, all I have to say is

You broke the "I will leave the following settlements alone" you broke the "10 turn NAP" and you broke the "I grant House Martell full control over the sea of Dorne" when you grant something, that means you are passing it over to a different person. You don't try to take your gifts back after you gave them away dammit!

Stormking, you know you broke our agreement very well. Perhaps only half of the swear, but if you break even a single word, that means you are a treacherous and deceitful son of a (excuse me for my bold words)

completenoob, I will agree to balance your economy by returning you from your debt (which is... like -2500 right?) and I will even agree to giving you Rainhouse, but only if you agree to ing honor the following agreement - a 10 turn NAP (that means no attacking each other, perhaps it wasn't so clear last time ), you will not attack the following settlements alone: Mistwood, Stonehelm, Blackhaven. break the siege off Rainhouse and let my men out including the Prince of Dorne. I will pass over Rainhouse to you via diplomacy, and give you how much money you need to get out of debt. If you still own the tiniest piece of honor in you, you will agree. Honor is so rare these days

We can change this agreement a bit, if you like. Tell me what you think. It is damn hard to agree on a ceasefire with someone you totally don't trust

[xXAmonXx]

quite a coincidence, i think he has us figured out.

also, should have turn up soon. just studying. woo. i fixed fraps too

[Trot]

I'm deep Red ANd my allies with the exception of Hoare are losing their wars.

[xXAmonXx]

sigh.

[vozd]

sigh.

What?!
I thought that this was good deal!
Sisterton for Wolf's Den... Fair trade.

[Uriyaca]

Sisterson for Wold's Den? really a bad deal for you, Vozd. A large city for a crappy deserted wooden castle?....

Or was this a part of your deal to achieve a ceasefire with Bolton?....

[vozd]

Maybe, I didn't understand you, but I gived him Sisterton for Wulf's Den...

[Uriyaca]

Ohhh the other way around

[complete noob:(]

Well, I flat out broke the NAP, of that there is no denying. But phrasing I will leave the settlements alone is not a definitive time frame, so is up for interpretation, so I did not in fact break the swear, as I agreed to an NAP, but I swore I wouldn't attack etc etc etc. (NO time frame, so I personally feel it is up to interpretation, and seeing as I needed to be able to make back this money, I attacked. If you feel it was not up to interpreatation, please explain why) Anyways, unless you have 16k up your sleeve and around 3k a turn, you can't buy me out of debt

[vozd]

Anyways, unless you have 16k up your sleeve and around 3k a turn, you can't buy me out of debt

It sound like expensive vacation on Dragonstone...

[Uriyaca]

Well, I flat out broke the NAP, of that there is no denying. But phrasing I will leave the settlements alone is not a definitive time frame, so is up for interpretation, so I did not in fact break the swear, as I agreed to an NAP, but I swore I wouldn't attack etc etc etc. (NO time frame, so I personally feel it is up to interpretation, and seeing as I needed to be able to make back this money, I attacked. If you feel it was not up to interpreatation, please explain why) Anyways, unless you have 16k up your sleeve and around 3k a turn, you can't buy me out of debt

16 k? How did you ing get to that kind of debt?!

And about you not breaking the "leaving the following settlements alone" rule, you did. There was a speciffic time frame, the 10 turn NAP, dammit!

I am really sick of betrayels. It is stupid to attack me and break a NAP agreement just in order to get revenge... If you are in a -16000 debt then you are obviously dead, Alesander. Killing Prince of Dorne will not solve any of your financial problems. This is a move lacking of honor or even a purpose... Breaking a NAP in order for revenge is simply a vey annoying thing to do

You still have a chance to make up for your wrong actions, Alesander. Break off the siege of Rainhouse and let my men out, it will be yours anyway, only that now it has the tiniest shread of honor.

What will you want for a ceasefire then, completenoob? You want Rainhouse? It's yours. I am truly saddened by the fact you would rather be an oathbreaking traitor then losing honorably.... Although you did not lose yet, Stormking.

I understand the fact that you are upset by our conquest. But breaking sworn agreements isn't the answer to your bad situation. It's like instead of figuring how to untie a piece of rope, you simply take a sword and cut it.

[complete noob:(]

Yes, but cutting the rope is much quicker. Anyways, I have that debt because of your combined attack from north and south. You took away 4 cities, which together form that 3k (and a little more) income. If I disband at all, I will then be militarily weaker, and thus at risk of losing even more settlements. Anyways, I still personally feel that citing the NAP is too broad. Yes, I broke it, who denies it? No one. It is too late to change course, and if you feel I broke some swear, so be it. I do not believe I broke it, so I can live without any shame.

[Trot]

martell

[Uriyaca]

Wrong save