What is truth?

[classical_hero]

This is the age old question.


I myself am a person who does believe that there is an absolute truth that is found in the Bible. Everyone lives by some moral code. We can tell this by any debate on some of the hot button issues, such as Gay marriage, which some of the way how people are showing their views on that subject. The truth is out there.

[truth1337]

"What is truth" is a very broad question, yet you only talk about "moral truth". Is this topic meant to be about the broad philosophical and metaphysical concept of truth, or is it supposed to focus on the basis for calling a certain morality "right" or "wrong"?

[Matthias]

This is the age old question.
I myself am a person who does believe that there is an absolute truth that is found in the Bible. Everyone lives by some moral code. We can tell this by any debate on some of the hot button issues, such as Gay marriage, which some of the way how people are showing their views on that subject. The truth is out there.

Why do you believe the Bible is the absolute truth? What proof do you have?

Everyone does live by a moral code of sorts, which often conflict with each other, which seems to go against your theory that there is an "absolute truth".

Hell, even the Bible conflicts with itself, and if that's supposed to be the guide for the absolute truth, a mythology book from 2000 years ago with no proof for anything that happened within it, that's just bonkers.

[SuperTechmarine]

Why do you believe the Bible is the absolute truth? What proof do you have?

Everyone does live by a moral code of sorts, which often conflict with each other, which seems to go against your theory that there is an "absolute truth".

Hell, even the Bible conflicts with itself, and if that's supposed to be the guide for the absolute truth, a mythology book from 2000 years ago with no proof for anything that happened within it, that's just bonkers.

How many times are you going to ask people why they believe in God? We believe what we believe, and you believe what you believe.

[Gaidin]

How many times are you going to ask people why they believe in God? We believe what we believe, and you believe what you believe.

If you'r going to keep shouting from the mountaintop get used to the idea of people asking why.

[Himster]

How many times are you going to ask people why they believe in God?

We'll keep on asking until someone comes up with a satisfying answer/convincing argument.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

How many times are you going to ask people why they believe in God? We believe what we believe, and you believe what you believe.

Depending on your religious denomination, you are basically a part of a package deal, where your idea of God has to be aligned with the holy texts used by that denomination. To believe in God, you just need to be theist. To be a Christian, you need to believe that the Bible is spot on in any way.

[frozenprince]

Why is this not in the EMM, would be a better question.

[basics]

classical_hero,

Pontius Pilate uttered the same phrase whilst facing it yet he never saw it. Jesus never replied to his remark but previously He had claimed to be the Way, the Truth and the Life and the strange thing is that Pilate's wife before the confrontation had warned him to be careful regarding Jesus. To Pilate this was something he could well do without, knowing that this man had done nothing wrong, nothing that is until Rome's own Law was cast into his face by the accusers.

It wasn't exactly a clear cut case because if being the King of the Jews was all that he needed it still wasn't enough to condemn Jesus because one could call themselves anything but unless Rome authenticated it, it never happened. Was it not the case that he'd had to deal with others making such claims yet in retrospect them that had been caught and put to death were usually troublemakers, violent types for which Jesus was not. For himself Pilate never saw any more than the world but the accusers knew that this was a battle between the Spiritual and the world.

In a matter of hours however the world would wake up to truth but without the Spiritual would still never see it and today still doesn't see it. Jesus Christ, the only Way to know Truth and thus further Life, the world had killed and would kill again because outside of Him there is no truth. By His words, the world lives by the father of lies and so become bound in lies that have no boundaries. One man's truth is another man's lies and vice versa. That is the way of the world and will remain so unless a Saviour is found, the truth that Pilate never saw.

[Himster]

Truth exists, whether it is absolutely knowable is not itself knowable. All society/group and culture is based on the twin assumptions that truth is knowable and that truth is known by the given society/group.
A sincere person admit his/her ignorance.

[basics]

" Truth exists, whether it is absolutely knowable is not itself knowable. All society/group and culture is based on the twin assumptions that truth is knowable and that truth is known by the given society/group. A sincere person admit his/her ignorance."

Himster,

It is said that knowledge is power but if that knowledge denies a person the Way to the Truth then of course it will never be absolute. It is written that the Gospel is the keys, the power of God unto salvation, that is knowing the Way, Jesus Christ. So, until that part is concluded knowledge of Truth is always going to be a problem, why? Because the truth that you refer to above is always going to be something that man has to differ on whether sincere or not.

In the beginning Adam had the Truth but in a moment of madness he flung it away, yet not completely. After being cast out of that heavenly type his experience was fed to his offspring and must have been else Abel would not have made the offering he did that pleased God. Here we have the first acknowledgement of the Way meaning that faith wrought belief that Truth would come at some point in time. Abel and certain others believed that the sin of their parents inherent in them would be paid for thus opening the way to life after death.

For that belief, Abel was killed by one man, his brother. A few centuries down the line another Man would be killed by His brothers collected together in a mob, men who believed they had the truth yet killed Him that was Truth. Sin had come a long way from the events in the garden. It is my belief that these events were all recorded so that man must never forget that sin is the thing that keeps them from Truth. Without the Way personal knowledge will never bring Truth nor Life.

[Himster]

It is said that knowledge is power but if that knowledge denies a person the Way to the Truth then of course it will never be absolute. It is written that the Gospel is the keys, the power of God unto salvation, that is knowing the Way, Jesus Christ. So, until that part is concluded knowledge of Truth is always going to be a problem, why? Because the truth that you refer to above is always going to be something that man has to differ on whether sincere or not.

In the beginning Adam had the Truth but in a moment of madness he flung it away, yet not completely. After being cast out of that heavenly type his experience was fed to his offspring and must have been else Abel would not have made the offering he did that pleased God. Here we have the first acknowledgement of the Way meaning that faith wrought belief that Truth would come at some point in time. Abel and certain others believed that the sin of their parents inherent in them would be paid for thus opening the way to life after death.

For that belief, Abel was killed by one man, his brother. A few centuries down the line another Man would be killed by His brothers collected together in a mob, men who believed they had the truth yet killed Him that was Truth. Sin had come a long way from the events in the garden. It is my belief that these events were all recorded so that man must never forget that sin is the thing that keeps them from Truth. Without the Way personal knowledge will never bring Truth nor Life.

What sort of influence would you imagine biblical "truth" would have on those who have not received your version of divine revelation (ie. most people)?

[basics]

" What sort of influence would you imagine biblical "truth" would have on those who have not received your version of divine revelation (ie. most people)?"

Himster,

Well for the most part of humanity it would appear that most just don't care. As we all start from the same position our destiny is not therefore one of our choosing, rather of God choosing but nonetheless His Gospel has been proclaimed since the beginning of time and is still being proclaimed but like as before the world just goes on living in its own way regardless of what is now in writing. Place the Gospel before them and watch as they don't just ignore it, rather they scorn it.

So how does God get round this? He intercedes through the Holy Ghost by opening up the minds of certain people in the innermost depths of their souls and minds alongside bringing them low in matters of the world so that the hardness in the heart can be melted enough to reveal Jesus dying for them. When that strikes home and conviction sets in this is where regeneration can take place. The Gospel is the key or keys because it is the power of God unto salvation. It is the news that most just won't listen to.

[Aeneas Veneratio]

" Truth exists, whether it is absolutely knowable is not itself knowable. All society/group and culture is based on the twin assumptions that truth is knowable and that truth is known by the given society/group. A sincere person admit his/her ignorance."

Himster,

It is said that knowledge is power but if that knowledge denies a person the Way to the Truth then of course it will never be absolute. It is written that the Gospel is the keys, the power of God unto salvation, that is knowing the Way, Jesus Christ. So, until that part is concluded knowledge of Truth is always going to be a problem, why? Because the truth that you refer to above is always going to be something that man has to differ on whether sincere or not.

In the beginning Adam had the Truth but in a moment of madness he flung it away, yet not completely. After being cast out of that heavenly type his experience was fed to his offspring and must have been else Abel would not have made the offering he did that pleased God. Here we have the first acknowledgement of the Way meaning that faith wrought belief that Truth would come at some point in time. Abel and certain others believed that the sin of their parents inherent in them would be paid for thus opening the way to life after death.

For that belief, Abel was killed by one man, his brother. A few centuries down the line another Man would be killed by His brothers collected together in a mob, men who believed they had the truth yet killed Him that was Truth. Sin had come a long way from the events in the garden. It is my belief that these events were all recorded so that man must never forget that sin is the thing that keeps them from Truth. Without the Way personal knowledge will never bring Truth nor Life.

Why are you refering to dumbest fairy tale in the Abrahamaic religions? If Adam and Eve were real, we would all be inbred beyond salvation. 3 men and 1 woman does not make for a good start for a specie.

It is also very easy to claim to have the "Truth", it is entirely different to be correct in that claim.

[basics]

" Why are you refering to dumbest fairy tale in the Abrahamaic religions? If Adam and Eve were real, we would all be inbred beyond salvation. 3 men and 1 woman does not make for a good start for a specie."

Aeneas Veneratio,

If you take out what you call the dumbest fairy tale then there is no other Abrahamic religion. Judaism begins just after the fall of man and continues until Jesus Christ brings things to a conclusion. That is the only Abrahamic religion yet not a religion at all since it is built purely on faith gifted by God to them that are reborn. That was the promise made to that man that through his wife Sarah would Messias come. Paul makes that very clear in his writings.

As for the incest thing, not forgetting to mention that through evolution the very same situation must have applied, it is well known that the children from incestuous relationships do not always result in retardation or whatever else one wants to call it. What you have to gather is that Adam and Eve were perfect specimens meaning that despite the curse their physical bodies and genes would not necessarily have affected any offspring for quite a few generations which God corrected by law in His time.

" It is also very easy to claim to have the "Truth", it is entirely different to be correct in that claim."

Of course that is very true so let's look at the evidence for Jesus Christ and His claim to be The Way, The Truth and The Life. Every religion since the flood has been built on the pre-flood prediction from God that He would come to contend with Satan and man, these religions turning the story on its head by placing humans in His place. That is still the case. Their god is imaginary whereas Jesus Christ is real, just as real as He was before He took up union with Mary's egg.

Examples of that in type are shown many times in Scripture where men and women well past child bearing age were gifted children. In Mary's time her cousin Elizabeth, well past that stage of life, gave us John the Baptist, him that was to prepare the people for the visible opening of the Kingdom through Jesus Christ. All that happened thereafter fulfilled all that was written by men and women of God previously as well as all that has been written of since.

One mathematician being peer reviewed has calculated that the chances of just eight of these prophecies coming true are in the region of ten thousand trillion to one of it happening yet these eight did and the reviewers had no answer to his calculations even though none to my knowledge were believers in any fashion. It is said that there are some seven hundred prophecies of which the eight were taken from three hundred that connected Christ in the Old Testament. What religion has that sort of maths behind it? Indeed what evolutionary process has that sort of maths?

[MaximiIian]

There is no such thing as "truth" in the traditional sense of an absolute true thing, which never changes. Things are always in flux, and things are always subject to individual experience, interpretation, and understanding. Temporal reality and truth are entirely subjective.

[Irishman]

I think there is a rather uncontroversial answer to the question: correspondence to reality. A proposition (or belief) is true when it corresponds to reality.

Of course, you open a whole other can of worms when you ask how we find out what corresponds to reality. I have found myself more and more partial to the idea that 'truth' is a label we give to useful beliefs.

[Habelo]

There is always a physsical truth no matter what. Our minds are made so that we are capable of discovering it. Just like eyes are made to see the physsical world. The eyes too get alot of different information before coming to the conclusion of what it sees is truth, the better eyes you have the easier it is to see the truth.

[Blatta Optima Maxima]

Can you prove any of what you just said?

[Habelo]

Can you prove any of what you just said?

Yes, when i throw a ball into a wall it bounces back to me. Meaning that the intelligence of my eyes are correct. And when my brain think in logical patterns similar effects happens with relations, fights and other actions.