Illyria

[RexImperator]

A bit of a gap in my knowledge of the time period is Illyria. I know Rome, the Greeks and Macedonians often fought with the Illyrian tribes and kingdoms but I don't know exactly who these are.

I know of some like the Kingdoms of the Dardanains or Ardiaieans but I also know there were various other kingdoms, tribal groups and all had a bit of a different ethnic make up, some being more Thracian, Gallic or Greek.

So for the R2TW time period who would be kicking around North of the Greeks?

[Destraex]

Were the Scythians still around. They may have been around that area as well.
MAcedonians.

[Titus Livius Patavinus]

Were the Scythians still around. They may have been around that area as well.
MAcedonians.

The Macedonians might of been, but they would of been south of what was considered Illyria. Epirus maybe as well, but they were still south. The Scythians I would have to say no, they were on the eastern part of the Balkans, by the Black Sea

[Evalation]

North of the Greeks. I believe that would be the Dacian, or Thracian tribes, im no expert but i believe thatd be whos settled there.

[Semper_Fidelis]

A bit of a gap in my knowledge of the time period is Illyria. I know Rome, the Greeks and Macedonians often fought with the Illyrian tribes and kingdoms but I don't know exactly who these are.

I know of some like the Kingdoms of the Dardanains or Ardiaieans but I also know there were various other kingdoms, tribal groups and all had a bit of a different ethnic make up, some being more Thracian, Gallic or Greek.

So for the R2TW time period who would be kicking around North of the Greeks?

Well, the Dacians were north of the Macedonians and northwest were the Illyrian tribes, the culture was a mix of Greek, Dacian and some of the northern barbarian tribes. If you want to know more, I would recommend wikipedia or something else, I think all those websites will be in far more detail compared to whatever you get here.

[RexImperator]

It's really more about getting a discussion going.

I've been going over wikipedia articles and looking up books for the last few days.

[yuezhi]

there's also a lot of celtic influence because they invaded the balkans all the way from pannonia and made it all the way to anatolia in a remarkably short time.
that all happened almost a decade before the RTW timeframe.

[daelin4]

Illyrians at that time were really "those other people" as far as the Greeks were concerned. Which unfortunately means they didn't put a lot of effort into studying exactly what they were like in comparison. There's not much evidence about what makes them explicitly "Illyrian", for all we know they could be Dacians or Scytheans. No evidence suggests that they had a common identity in the modern (or Greek) sense of the word. It was the Greeks who call them Illyrians, which may refer to one tribe rather than many, and of course one tribe does not necessarily represent all. Who knows, they could be more related to the Italic peoples.

Frankly the good thing about this is that CA can be free to take some creative liberties out of this knowledge gap. They can make them THE pirate-focused faction grouping.

[Hannarr]

The Illyrian tribes inhabited the north eastern shores of the Adriatic, mostly in the regions of Pannonia and Dalmatia, what would be modern day Croatia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Serbia, Albania and Hungary. There were also Illyrian groups who migrated to the southern Italian region of Apulia. The are supposed to have arrived in Pannonia and Dalmatia, and to Apulia shortly after Circa 1000 b.c.e as part of the large migration of Indo-European groups coming through the caucuses and into Europe, the exact nature of the movement is still a matter of much debate. Ancient sources indicate that they had a feudal like society, with peasants under and aristocracy, with hereditary lineages. Further information on the specifics of the society are hard to glean, the Romans very quickly assimilated them, with relatively few problems (1 major rebellion, which was put down by Augustus). They formed city states, how unified or homogeneous these states were is uncertain. Over time the Illyrians were subject to varying degrees of Celticization, Hellenization, Romanization, and eventually Slavicization. They were know for being fierce and bloodthirsty warriors and notably was pirates in the Adriatic, however the ancient sources often portray non-greco-roman people as bloodthirsty so it is hard to tell.
As far as weaponry goes, they were armed similarly to early romans, with leather and bronze armour, curved short swords called sica (the design of which was very common throughout the Mediterranean) they also used thrusting spears. in combat they formed shield walls with footmen and harassed with lightly armed skirmishers. their most common units were heavy swordsmen, light spearmen and light archers.

[meliscarop]

They may have been around that area as well.

[MathiasOfAthens]

There should be a few kingdoms but a lot of tribes.

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[Hrobatos]

here is an interesting link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_warfare
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyrian_weaponry

and some pictures of Ilyrian warriors

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[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

Looks like Iberian Scutarii, but with hoplite weapons.

[Lanciarius_90]

Best roman Emperors come from Illyria and some legion was recruited here. Romans even use liburnian ships from Istra.

[|Sith|Galvanized Iron]

no, don't Balkanize this forum, just wait until the Albanians get started, don't do it.

[Fanest]

some more


dont know which weapon they hold axe or smt like morning star







helmets


Forgot to metion that this stuff and some stuff above from Hrobatos are supposed to come from northern Italy and some parts of eastern Adriatic coast and ppl - Adriatic Veneti who lived there so there i a big question if we can link this to Illyrians

Best roman Emperors come from Illyria and some legion was recruited here. Romans even use liburnian ships from Istra.

it is not clear whether Liburnians were of Illyrian or Venetic origin so ....