European Union enlargement

[Philip Regent of Hospitallers]

Recently I had to make essay about the issue of European Union enlargements in the past and the future...During making the essay it really knovked into my head, that EU size of 27 member states is enough, however Croatia is becoming full member in July 2013 and five candidates are also at the "door"...

My question is: Do you think that EU should stop expanding and focus their internal economical problems, such as Greeks downfall?? Thanks for your opinions in advance

[removeduser_487563287433]

It's obvious that the EU needs some sort of fiscal control in order to prevent states like Greece from lying about their economy and bringing us down with them. Otherwise the joint currency will have to be abandoned.

Problem is, states like the UK that want an independent fiscal policy will never allow that.

So there's no unity of vision at all.

[removeduser_4536284751384]

It's obvious that the EU needs some sort of fiscal control in order to prevent states like Greece from lying about their economy and bringing us down with them. Otherwise the joint currency will have to be abandoned.

Problem is, states like the UK that want an independent fiscal policy will never allow that.

So there's no unity of vision at all.

The solution is a two-layer system, with Eurozone countries uniting their economic policy and non-Eurozone members not doing so.

And on expansion, I am not against the Balkan hole joining the EU. I don't think most people are. The interesting ones are Turkey, and Ukraine, who I am not overly fond of.

[Ketnix]

Everyones in it for them selves huh?

[Xraider]

Either the voting system changes to make nations that don't like a proposal enforce it via a majority in the Council or just cease expansion. The system worked when the EC had 10 or 12 members, but now with a whooping 27, a consensus cannot be reached on most things.

On the plus side, the family will soon be only 26 states

[Mangalore]

Either the voting system changes to make nations that don't like a proposal enforce it via a majority in the Council or just cease expansion. The system worked when the EC had 10 or 12 members, but now with a whooping 27, a consensus cannot be reached on most things.

On the plus side, the family will soon be only 26 states

How about you read about the voting system within the EU? They changed it to a double majority system where the number of countries and the population size it represents can decide an issue. This replaces full veto powers in the EU council for each member to a rather large degree.

There is no process that would allow the EU to remove the UK's membership.

The Lisbon treaty allows the UK/any EU country however to leave.

[Philip Regent of Hospitallers]

Fiscal control has been issue for some time and also media made news about this (at least in my country), however those plans are buried at the moment, because Greece with it´s bad economic situation...furthermore lately new EU 7-year budget is under discussion, however Britain´s Prime Minister David Cameron will veto it, if not budget´s policy doesn´t change.

Back to enlargement issue - Well I personally think Croatia yet can be 28th member state in EU, however further expansion should frozen until EU´s internal problems are solved to the point, they were before crisis...still I fear that Eurozone will collapse

Only 26?? If you by UK possible referendum, then maybe yes...

[Xraider]

The UK can no longer stay in. It will have to go into a Norwegian or a Swiss like position, which is pretty much what they want. The position between the UK and the rest of Europe is simply too different.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Ferrets get your facts straight and finally learn that the EU leaders knew about the faked statistics

Jesus Christ superstar man, haters gonna hate!

[removeduser_487563287433]

Ferrets get your facts straight and finally learn that the EU leaders knew about the faked statistics

Jesus Christ superstar man, haters gonna hate!

I'll believe it when you can source it. Until them more EAM lies.

The UK can no longer stay in. It will have to go into a Norwegian or a Swiss like position, which is pretty much what they want. The position between the UK and the rest of Europe is simply too different.

There is no process that would allow the EU to remove the UK's membership.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

The Political Mudpit, where guys and gals think they have actually won a pseudo-argument and "getting the last word" in a forum is more important than to know the facts.

As long as you are happy with uninformed victories man, enjoy, lmao.

[Treize]

The Political Mudpit, where guys and gals think they have actually won a pseudo-argument and "getting the last word" in a forum is more important than to know the facts.

As long as you are happy with uninformed victories man, enjoy, lmao.

What? The days of sharp debate are long gone.

Only the Old Guard of whom Ferrets54 is one on the few remaining members can remember the days. And I am getting old myself, God.

[Manuel I Komnenos]

It's obvious that the EU needs some sort of fiscal control in order to prevent states like Greece from lying about their economy and bringing us down with them. Otherwise the joint currency will have to be abandoned.

Or, the EU should examine those statistics instead of accepting them at face value... Just a thought... So that we, the Greek citizens won't have to suffer because the politicians are lying.

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Or, the EU should examine those statistics instead of accepting them at face value... Just a thought... So that we, the Greek citizens won't have to suffer because the politicians are lying.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...the-books.html



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...--reality.html

Aides warned Kohl - who, along with De Gaulle in France relentlessly drove the European Project onwards as a bulwark against future war - that Italy's austerity measures taken at the time were merely 'window dressing.'

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-831842.html

But it wasn't just the experts. Documents from the Kohl administration, kept confidential until now, indicate that the euro's founding fathers were well aware of its deficits. And that they pushed ahead with the project regardless.

[Philip Regent of Hospitallers]

I really don´t want to believe that countries such as Ukraine or even Belarus would join the EU...it would take really long time for them...despite being the host of EURO 2012...As for the Balkans...they still are recovering from Yugoslavian civil war back in 90s, Slovenia and Croatia being as exceptions in this case, but others...they don´t so well with each other...order is lower and Kosovo´s independence declarance has made things even worse, since Serbia won´t recognise their sovereignty :S

If UK tries make policy like Norway or Switzerland already have, that could make things different in whole Europe...since both Norway and Switzerland are extremely high developed countries...(for the record Norway and Switzerland have both been attempting to join EU )

[truth1337]

Recently I had to make essay about the issue of European Union enlargements in the past and the future...During making the essay it really knovked into my head, that EU size of 27 member states is enough, however Croatia is becoming full member in July 2013 and five candidates are also at the "door"...

My question is: Do you think that EU should stop expanding and focus their internal economical problems, such as Greeks downfall?? Thanks for your opinions in advance

I think EU should not only stop enlargement but also be disbanded. The sexual predator frusto banksters that control the whole cabal should instead try PENIS enlargement - their actions indicate they're in dire need of it.

[removeduser_487563287433]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...--reality.html

Different people, different time frame, different countries and relying on the Daily Mail as a source. Wow, EAM, you've excelled yourself in shite debate attempts.

Or, the EU should examine those statistics instead of accepting them at face value... Just a thought... So that we, the Greek citizens won't have to suffer because the politicians are lying.

Maybe rape victims shouldn't wear attractive clothing.

[truth1337]

Maybe rape victims shouldn't wear attractive clothing.

You mean it's all Greek's fault they have economical problems, because they made the plundering by Goldman-Sachs and other predator banks look too tempting?

[Emperor Arcturus Mengsk]

Different people, different time frame, different countries and relying on the Daily Mail as a source. Wow, EAM, you've excelled yourself in shite debate attempts.



Maybe rape victims shouldn't wear attractive clothing.

It's quite obvious that you only quoted this post out of the three just because it was daily mail, so you can have something to discretit it with.

Fishing Teqnique succesful.

Also, different time frames? , If it's done once and noone gave a , it can be done again, and again and again.

And we all lived happily everafter in the land of politicians always tell us the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth

[Manuel I Komnenos]

Maybe rape victims shouldn't wear attractive clothing.

Simply acknowledge the fact that the EU was a circus until the 2008-9 crisis. There was a complete lack of monitoring. Let's face it, the fault lies more on the governing figures of the EU, than on the average Greek citizen. I went as far as to deal with my home's budget. The state budget was not my responsibility. However, it was the EU's responsibility to figure out whether the statistics presented were realistic or not.