(surprisingly, this pic is relevant to the topic.)
So what happened 412 years ago that it warranted a thread in Shogun 2 just to inform people?
Why the Battle of Sekigahara occurred.
Ah yes that battle, where eager days during pre-Shogun 2, there was hype for samurai related media, and this BBC docudrama was the easiest one.
(piss poor recreation of the battle and events leading to it in my opinion)
Then the our first battles in Shogun 2 was the historical battle in the demo, then we where shocked when none of our allies like the Shimazu (the green guys) and the other dudes on the right flank refused to cooperate then surprise surprise, the right flank defected to the Tokugawa making a seemingly cake walk historical battle, harder to win.
(well it was implied in the campaign cutscene)
This is equivalent to the 197th Anniversary of Waterloo, although less famous but for us Shogun 2 fans, this should be our Waterloo (not weakness), where the battle decisively decided who will bring an end to the hundred year long Age of the Country at War (tm).
(well there was still Siege of Osaka and Shimabahara but I digress. )
And now to celebrate this. What better way than watching the events around the battle to make you pumped again Shogun 2.
No. Not the piss poor BBC docudrama, not to mention it had english dialogues. Dont worry it has subtitles. Not to mention it mostly shows mostly battle scenes so dont worry about seeing lots of bald japanese men arguing back and forth.
Wow I wish my report on Samurai's would of been on this week in college instead of last week with all those nice videos...Had to use the BBC one heh...
I'll try to put up the remaining part of the prologue episode down to the death of Mitsunari.
God knows we need people to be aware not everything is all The Last Samurai or those Edo Jidai samurai flicks but real Sengoku Jidai ones, well most exist as taiga drama such as posted above but what the hell.
Personally I like Nobunaga and the Battle of Nagashino more than Ieyasu and Sekigahara. But since i still enjoy Japanese history and I like Ieyasu (although less than Nobunaga), I will celebrate by watching Heroes and Villains: Shogun.
"Famous general without peer in any age, most superior in valor and inspired by the Way of Heaven; since the provinces are now subject to your will it is certain that you will increasingly mount in victory." - Ōgimachi-tennō
Ewwww. That piss poor docudrama, better off watching Aoi Tokugawa Sandai, posted above.
It was inexcusable for BBC to omit all other characters and just include Mototada, Tadayoshi, Naomasa, Ieyasu, Mitsunari, and Hideaki.
Oh and dont forget the kabuto. Major turn off for BBC to make do with Mitsunari just wearing a hoshi bachi kabuto and not his famous mawari kabuto with wig and awesome wakidate crests...
Heroes and Villains: Shogun is the only one i haven't seen; I've seen AOI Tokugawa Ieyasu at least five times.
But I think you just ruined the Heroes and Villains for me, now I don't wanna watch if it is that bad (like when I was told that Batman and Robin was horrible and I just avoided it since).
"Famous general without peer in any age, most superior in valor and inspired by the Way of Heaven; since the provinces are now subject to your will it is certain that you will increasingly mount in victory." - Ōgimachi-tennō
Instead I watched Seven Samurai (first time) and then I watched Kagemusha (again) and then Heaven & Earth (again) and I enjoyed every second of it. A real shame that the No Dachi samurai from Seven Samurai got shot, that guy was my favourite.
"Famous general without peer in any age, most superior in valor and inspired by the Way of Heaven; since the provinces are now subject to your will it is certain that you will increasingly mount in victory." - Ōgimachi-tennō
What I like about Nobunaga is that his wars were over in weeks or days (unless it is the Ikko-Ikki, those bastards) meanwhile everyone else took like days upon weeks upon months. Kenshin being the other exception since in only a year he conquered Echigo and although Kawankajima took a while I'd say it was worth it.
"Famous general without peer in any age, most superior in valor and inspired by the Way of Heaven; since the provinces are now subject to your will it is certain that you will increasingly mount in victory." - Ōgimachi-tennō
Considering how the Oda sought to unify Japan then I wouldn't say there was "no reason". But that was actually his incompetent son Nobukatsu who invaded and then lost against Nobunaga's wishes, this was a loss of face for the Oda and so Nobunaga did it himself and meanwhile dishonouring his son but getting honour himself.
I find it surprising that people say Nobunaga was evil or dishonourable since many other daimyo were the same or worse. Takeda Shingen, for example, was certainly no better. Even though Takeda Shingen denounced Nobunaga, I think that Takeda Shingen was being very hypocritical and was only using this as an opportunity to conquer Kyoto (keep in mind that Shingen was Minamoto and so in a position to take the Shogunate, unlike Nobunaga who was given the Title by the Emperor but did not actually use it).
"Famous general without peer in any age, most superior in valor and inspired by the Way of Heaven; since the provinces are now subject to your will it is certain that you will increasingly mount in victory." - Ōgimachi-tennō
Happy 412th Anniversary!
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