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    Quote Originally Posted by TAKEDA ⬤ SHINGEN View Post
    I don't understand : *Agent types: 12

    What does it mean exactly?
    That you can have 12 types of Agents. Like spies, merchants, assassins, priests, princesses, inquisitor, etc

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    Ok but how? I did try for exemple to add the action assassinate to the merchant, but it doesn't work, so how is it possible to create a new agent and gave them actions that doesn't work? Or is it because you can't add actions to existing agents and only to custom ones?

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    No one knows nor have tested it? No one know from who comes this information?

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    Default Re: New hardcoded list

    You'll need to wait more than a day for the appropriate figures to roll around, mate. It's a bit slow, but there it is. I personally never went into the subject as I figured doing so was impractical early on given the murky nature surrounding actual agent work (since, to my knowledge, much is hardcoded and the rest is a pita to make work).

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    I'm just curious where did he get his information and how was it tested since it is already known, like you said, that most things about agents is hardcoded and adding actions to agents is impossible. So is this list verified or is it just an amalgam of rumours and verified limits all put together? Since it is a stickied post, I suppose it has more rigor than just mixing all infos coming from everywhere and anyone, but I'd like confirmation and the source of this specific info about agent.

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    Default Re: New hardcoded list

    Quote Originally Posted by Lusitanio View Post
    That you can have 12 types of Agents. Like spies, merchants, assassins, priests, princesses, inquisitor, etc
    Oh, this seemed as a very new interesting thing, was already thinking about how to use it... But the game failed us again, I suppose the limit was just ill formulated?

    Based on this thread its actually 12 types of characters in descr_characters, not agents.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Lime View Post
    Different types of character..

    Code:
    type            named character
    type            general
    type            spy
    type            assassin
    type            diplomat
    type            admiral
    type            princess
    type            merchant
    type            priest
    type            heretic
    type            witch
    type            inquisitor
    And based on what Gig said, you can neither change actions linked to the agents
    Last edited by Jadli; April 19, 2020 at 04:02 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BM309K58SMERCH View Post
    *Maximum amount of land masses a map can have: 20 -Razor, B.Ward.
    Sorry if I´m making a stupid question or its resolved on this thread´already, but to define land masses concretely, you mean "the group of entire pieces of land". So we are considering islands even if they are of one pixels or whole asia continent, right?

    I know that RTW it has the same (or very similar) hardcode limits and I have a functional map that it has more than 20 land masses. Even if you consider the map_heights.tga or if you count from map_region.tga

    I´m writting here to ask about the definition of landmasses but even to help to define this concep because I can show a picture where this limit is ignored in a complete functional map, only having a little graphic glitch on Aegean isands... but I removed all "extra" land masses and this glitch was persisting so I think that is not related.

    I hope that someone can help me and this question is helpful.
    Kind regards




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    You need to try to understand these bits from B.Ward's post that's linked to in your quote:

    Quote Originally Posted by B. Ward View Post
    All the islands are still intact. Just "connected" some of them with a pixel. <snip>

    So if you had 10 islands on a map that were 10 separate regions, you would have 10 independent land masses. But by adding 1 miscellaneous pixel from one island to the next, preferably on the coast, you join land masses. You can see from this image from my regions map for my mod, I have a stray blue pixel. This joins both of those islands as one "continuous" land mass.


    I hope I'm making sense. The only downfall as far as aesthetics goes, is sometimes the miscellaneous pixel will cause a short region border to show up on the strat map, but I have faction borders invisible on my strat map, so it's not a big issue. Also, by connecting land masses, it helps the AI a bit with actually traveling to islands and other areas since they are technically "bordering" them.
    The map you need to be looking at is map_regions. If on that 'Cyprus' is one solid region colour, then that will count as 1 of your 20 possible land-masses. If a region on the turkish mainland also owns a little bit of the Cyprus island shape, e.g. there's some pixels of that mainland region's colour on the Cyprus shape, then it doesn't count as a separate land-mass, and so doesn't count towards your total.

    A lot of the islands that show up on those map_heights/ground_types are just decorative features that belong to regions on the nearest mainland, so they don't count as "land-masses"


    clear as mud?

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    Thanks so much, I think that I got it, but only to clarify completely, I´m going to show some examples and you can tell me if I´m wrong.

    1. Cyprus count like one land mass because is not coneccted with continent by land, or region color, as you said.



    2. Even been separate island not conected by pixels, Balearic island count as one land mass because they make part of the same region.



    3. Two different provinces with a single separate pixel on the sea. Are they counting like the same land mass of the continent? Counting like one?



    4. Following this logic, Ireland will be one land mass and England, Scotland, Orkney and other small island another land mass. Counting like two.

    Last edited by Solon de Atenas; May 29, 2020 at 05:10 AM.

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    Yep - that's what I think it means

    The channel island bit in pic 3. would be counting as part of the European land-mass.

    The only complication might be in pic 4. with ireland - IF the bit between ireland and scotland is actually a natural (map_heights generated) land-bridge, that might mean that would all count as just one land-mass - I'm not sure on that point...

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    Quote Originally Posted by makanyane View Post
    The only complication might be in pic 4. with ireland - IF the bit between ireland and scotland is actually a natural (map_heights generated) land-bridge, that might mean that would all count as just one land-mass - I'm not sure on that point...
    It´s not. In game, there are no way to cross it with troops. But I understand the point. It´s separated by two pixels, so following this logic, Irelando should be a separate land mass.

    Thanks for you answer and your time. It was so helpful to my map. Great Makanyane! +rep

    =)

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